13 Russian Nationals indicted...and you think there was no meddling?

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  1. Balto

    Balto Well-Known Member

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    How is it a spin to admit the obvious?
     
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    Rosenstine said it did not effect anything.
     
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    Balto Well-Known Member

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    To believe anything the White House says is like believing Stephen Colbert is an actual newscaster. I’ll pass.
     
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    Thank God! The world is now safe! Thirteen nerds from St. Petersburgh who were tweeting disparaging remarks about Hillary have been identified!

    I know I'll sleeping sounder at night because these archvillian's names are now known.

    How about you?
     
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    I know I'll sleep much better now, knowing the left is loosing their mud over this :roll:
     
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    Probably never occurred to you that the Russians and others such as Iran and N Korea and many more, always have an interest in our elections and the degree of stability in our country. Whenever and however possible, in every major election- they are going to try to meddle. Predicting that is sort of like the weatherman saying "There will be weather".
    That is the nature of international politics. Nothing new, just fodder for the media.
    No consequence, and of course die-hard trump haters won't pay any attention to part that states "No Americans were knowingly involved".

    Nor does this action prevent further actions in the investigation. Wait and see.
     
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    member when obama meddled in Israels elections and lefties applauded it?
     
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    That's different. Obama is a collectivist and gets a pass for any action deemed beneficial to the collective.
     
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    No, he didn't say that. He said they weren't involved _with these indictments_. Words mean things, almost always the opposite of what you claim.

    We were right, not that there was ever any doubt, given we're always right. You've been screaming "hoax" for months, you've been screaming "the investigation is a waste!", and you failed as hard as it's possible for someone to fail.

    It only gets worse for you now. Mueller knows he's got to play the politics right, so that the treasonous Putin-lackey in the Oval Office doesn't have an excuse to shut it down. Mueller just did that. Now, if Trump tries to shut it down, he's obviously protecting Russian criminals. Even the corrupt Republican congressmen have their limits to how badly they'll betray the USA. Even they might consider Trump openly defending Russian criminals to be a reason for impeachment. So, Trump has to let Mueller keep working.

    But then, you know that. It's why the Trump backers are so desperate to spin this away. Go on, keep spinning, it won't help. The investigations will continue.

    As far as the accused, they might want to return to the USA to face trial. It would be safer for them, given how those who become inconvenient to Putin have a tendency to experience fatal accidents.
     
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    Rosenstein/Mueller went to pains to state that no Americans were wittingly involved... Jeez, only in TDS infected mind of a progressive this is followed by the same prosecutor declaring that Americans were. LOL

    Lest we forget pro-Bernie, anti-Trump, pro-BLM rallies set up by the same 13 Russian trolls.... What a f*cking "beyond a reasonable doubt" collusion with Putin case, isn't it?

    Sorry dude, back to the safe place you go, see you in 2020 when Trump is up for reelection and you better have some positive and credible pro-America, pro-working people (not globalist, swamp, identity baiting cr%p that you side preaches) agenda or else...
     
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    You indict people who are not going to appear before a US Federal judge.

    When Rosenstein stated that no Americans were involved, I figured that it was only about the fact that Mueller can't indict anyone with his tainted DC Grand Jury that will actually end up in front of a Federal judge.

    But perhaps, Rosenstein also stated that no Americans were involved to cover for Tony Podesta and John Carlin. With all of the information that Mueller has gleaned, Mueller has got to know how dirty the Podesta brothers, John Carlin, and a few others are with their associations intertwined with the Russian mafia.
     
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    What are you talking ABOUT?

    Rosenstein did not say no Americans were involved. In fact he NAMED one and made mention of many more. WHat he DIDN'T say was that they were "witting" accomplices IN THIS INDICTMENT.

    That does NOT mean that there will not be other indictments of WITTING accomplices

    And by indicting these Russians...he not only pointed out the need for the recent legislated sanctions to be enacted but established the crimes that have been committed.
     
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    The only reasons Mueller indicted this group is due to the fact that they are all out of the country and the US doesn't have an extradition agreement with Russia.

    Mueller has a tainted DC Grand Jury and a new judge that replaced Judge Contreras, who was forced out because of his FISA connections.

    Mueller will likely have to let Flynn walk by virtue of the, "fruit from a poison tree," issues that he can't shake.

    If there are other indictments coming, they will be associated with the DOJ Inspector General report due out in early March.
     
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    None of what you have claimed twice now is supported by ANY evidence
     
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    I repeat (since you felt the need to repeat yourself)
     
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    Mueller interviewed Christopher Steele. But the referral for the criminal indictment of Steele went directly to the DOJ.
    1. Mueller knows that Steele gleaned information from the Russians.
    2. Mueller knows that the Grassley information is accurate.
    3. Mueller knows that the unmasking involved 702 information that was shared both with the Clinton campaign and Crowdstrike.

    At this point, almost all of the criminal liabilities sit inside the Obama administration FBI and DOJ circles and with the DNC.

    Are you saying that Mueller is going to go after his buddies ??
     
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    they wont be ready in 2020 either. Their arrogance wont let them accept that Americans could be pro Americans. Look at the SOTU response they gave, it was swamp talking points 101 delivered by chapstickquiddick.
     
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    You should have read your own link better.

    He was speaking of what Putin thinks, he obviously states he believes differently.
     
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    so Facebook trolls. What a waste of FBI resources.
     
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    Well the part that really cost the Democrats the election ignoring swing States they've doubled down on. Any talk about the Electoral College they're talking about taking away more electoral power of the states that despise.

    I don't know why they stopped appealing to them that was there voting base.
     
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    Well, when in order to get the rotations going, you have to postulate and imagine, there is nothing obvious, it's just conjecture and opinion.
     
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    Well regardless of what Trump has said in the past...he can no longer claim it didn't happen.

    That's certain
     
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    Not involved in that indictment. This isn't rocket science, but you still can't grasp it.

    All anti-Clinton efforts. Remember, the Russians are smarter than you are. They know that hyping fake "The DNC rigged it for Clinton!" stories would cause some butthurt berniebros to stay home. They knew that making BLM look arrogant would turn more votes against Clinton.

    Trump responded to the latest indictments by ... still refusing to implement the congressionally-mandated sanctions against Russia. That is, Trump is _still_ breaking the law to help Russia. Golly, I wonder where his loyalties lie. I'm guessing the Russians have some really solid blackmail on Trump, given how hard Trump works for them.

    That's good to see. When Trump backers are triggered, it means good things are happening in the USA. This latest indictment has really flustered them. They know Trump can't shut down Mueller now, which means the investigation eventually gets Trump. It's just a matter of time.
     
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    Well, yes. If you're investigating Republican-Russian ties, you have to talk with some Russians. It's a bizarre reversal of good morality and common sense to claim that the investigators are the criminals. Yet you do it. It's like claiming the police are corrupt because they talked with a shady informant in order to nail a poor innocent human trafficker.

    What is this info, and how do you know Mueller knows it's accurate? Understand that we don't keep track of your conspiracy sources and what they say.

    Vague "unmasking" conspiracy theories. No evidence. Gotcha.

    I'm saying you don't seem attached to reality at all. You're just parroting bizarre conspiracy theories that aren't backed up by any evidence.
     
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