2016 Trump Tower Meeting Looks Increasingly Like a Setup by Russian and Clinton Operatives

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  1. vman12

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    Yes he had some unparalleled integrity when he illegally was surveilling members of Congress, then lied about it, before getting caught and admitting it.
     
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    You do know that he's not a soldier, right.

    Please tell me you know the difference between a Sailor and a Soldier...
     
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    @HereWeGoAgain Claims this man is a REAL soldier, but he isn't even a Soldier at all...

    lol
     
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    Fantasyland is where they're from though.
     
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    Noticed you still haven't responded.

    I'll ask again. You know that he's not a Soldier, right?

    Or do liberals not even know the difference?

    There's a reason our military can't stand liberals.
     
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    There shouldn't be 'political pressure' to oversee the FBI. That is HIS JOB. He should do it without prompt. If he needs prompt, he's another James Comey. If the FBI Director can't or won't address this issue, then maybe there's no need for the FBI. It obviously cannot be salvaged.
    The suggestion by some independents/Trump voters is to merge it all within the US State Department.
     
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    Yes they hired someone to act as their agent to get opposition research from Russians. What differenece does it make if they hired an agent to handle the transaftion.

    What you are trying to claim the Trump campagn got the emails in the meeting and released the emails? I don't think the timeline even lines up for that. What is the evidence that supports this claim I have heard NO ONE make.

    How did the emails cost her the election?
     
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    Great points.
     
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    If therewas no bank robbery but you know you have a prosecutor hoping to entrap you on a perjury charge when he hasn't even found a crime which to associate you, who you not take the advice of legal cousel and refuse to talk to him.
     
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    Be careful with that way of thinking. Anyone who decides to not talk to the police guilty in your opinion?

    The "why not talk if you're innocent" always gets destroyed in a court room.
     
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    Well, let's unpack the tacit admissions in this post.

    First, there is the universal belief taht Trump will hang himself in such an interview.

    He can't help running his mouth, and he always has to have the last word. Both are significant weaknesses. His record in depositions as a private citizen indicate that he will be his own worst enemy.

    "you have a prosecutor hoping to entrap you on a perjury charge when he hasn't even found a crime which to associate you"

    Actually, you don't know that at all. Part of that claim is useless denial in the face of facts already known to the public. There is little doubt that Trump knew about the imfamous Don Jr meeting, His own public statements at the time make that clear. Which makes him a potential party to conspiracy. Also, Guliani let the cat out of the bag that there was more than one meeting (which didn't come as a surprise).

    Of course, Trump has the right to remain silent, a right he seldom avails himself of.

    And, at this point, where there is little doubt that the only remaining question is not own of guilt, but one of provable guilt in a court of law, silence might behoove him.

    But that's not his way.

    In any event, the choices seem to be very narrow. He can either be intereviewed by Mueller with his lawyers present under a negotiated agreement, or he can sit alone in front of a grand jury that can ask him any question the want, and his only recourse is the fifth amendment.

    While he can't be convicted for taking the fifth, he can be impeached (although I think that's unlikely)

    Finally, I doubt that Mueller will actually need Trump's testimony in any case. Mueller is smart enough to know that Trump's lawyers will be forced to litigate the proposition of whether Trump can be forced to testify as a sitting President. Bill Clinton faced the same dilemma, and chose not to roll the dice. And he had much better lawyers than the TV clown Guliani, and the bible thumper lawyer Sekulow.

    But the litigation over the issue would push the whole matter into 2019 easily, which is where it is probably going anyway.

    There is certainly no reason to give any credibility to Guliani's nonsense about wrapping up by September, anymore than there was any reason to give any credibility to his claim that the whole thing would be all over in two weeks when he first got the job.
     
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    Let's look at the FACTS of the MATTER:

    UNELECTED BUREAUCRATS have NO AUTHORITY OVER THE POTUS .

    That is not an accident.
     
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    Lets look at the facts of the matter:
    Steve Jobs named his company "Apple" partially because he wanted it to appear in the phone book before Atari, his former workplace.
    That is not an accident.
     
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    The continued trail of corruption from the Rusdian-o- crats leads right to Trump's door. Look into his property sales to the oligarchs. His son's statements about their funding of his business. The election meddling to elect Trump.

    You can try and divert to the Democrats but the fact is you elected a Putin puppet.
     
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    Wow. That totally REFUTES the Constitutional FACT I cited: UNELECTED BUREAUCRATS have NO AUTHORITY OVER THE POTUS .

    I love watching the left reduced to such CHILDISH SILLINESS here....


    BTW: Maybe APPLE should be minding their shop a little better, huh?

    A 16-year-old managed to hack Apple, steal a whole bunch of secure files, and access customer accounts

    https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/16-old-managed-hack-apple-094643846.html


    DID THEY "ORDER A STAND DOWN"???

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    Guilt of what?
     
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    Oh I thought we were just posting random factiods with little bearing on the OP and I wanted to play.
     
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    Because, according to your ILLOGIC, this: UNELECTED BUREAUCRATS have NO AUTHORITY OVER THE POTUS .

    Is not relevant to this:
    "Well, let's unpack the tacit admissions in this post.

    First, there is the universal belief taht Trump will hang himself in such an interview.

    He can't help running his mouth, and he always has to have the last word. Both are significant weaknesses. His record in depositions as a private citizen indicate that he will be his own worst enemy.

    "you have a prosecutor hoping to entrap you on a perjury charge when he hasn't even found a crime which to associate you"

    Actually, you don't know that at all. Part of that claim is useless denial in the face of facts already known to the public. There is little doubt that Trump knew about the imfamous Don Jr meeting, His own public statements at the time make that clear. Which makes him a potential party to conspiracy. Also, Guliani let the cat out of the bag that there was more than one meeting (which didn't come as a surprise).

    Of course, Trump has the right to remain silent, a right he seldom avails himself of.

    And, at this point, where there is little doubt that the only remaining question is not own of guilt, but one of provable guilt in a court of law, silence might behoove him.

    But that's not his way.

    In any event, the choices seem to be very narrow. He can either be intereviewed by Mueller with his lawyers present under a negotiated agreement, or he can sit alone in front of a grand jury that can ask him any question the want, and his only recourse is the fifth amendment.

    While he can't be convicted for taking the fifth, he can be impeached (although I think that's unlikely)

    Finally, I doubt that Mueller will actually need Trump's testimony in any case. Mueller is smart enough to know that Trump's lawyers will be forced to litigate the proposition of whether Trump can be forced to testify as a sitting President. Bill Clinton faced the same dilemma, and chose not to roll the dice. And he had much better lawyers than the TV clown Guliani, and the bible thumper lawyer Sekulow.

    But the litigation over the issue would push the whole matter into 2019 easily, which is where it is probably going anyway.

    There is certainly no reason to give any credibility to Guliani's nonsense about wrapping up by September, anymore than there was any reason to give any credibility to his claim that the whole thing would be all over in two weeks when he first got the job."


    Perhaps a LOGIC/LINEAR THOUGHT course, would be of use to you....
     
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    You have a very strange way of thinking. Have a nice day.
     
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    Not need it because he has found no crime? Bill Clinton faced the delimma the prosecutor had prima facie evidence of the felony he committed in a federal court.
     
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    Liberal progressives have never gotten over their obsession to see a sitting President "frog marched" across the WH lawn. Problem is that they don't even know that Muller can not indict a sitting President...Their fever dream is just that a fantasy that will never come to pass and that frustrates them. Nevermind that those that they support should actually be arrested, and tried.
     
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    No, they don't. It is their latest lie....

    1) We never met with any Russians.

    2) We met with Russians about adoptions.

    3) We met with Russians to get dirt on Hillary, but it is perfectly legal.

    4) We met with Russians to get dirt on Hillary, but Hillary tricked us into it if it does happen to be illegal.

    5) Just insert any insane bullshit you like here. Trump's imbeciles will eat it up with a spoon.
     
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    They have yet to accept the fact Trump will remain President until at least January 2021.
     
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    Do you think Clinton's lying about whether or not he crammed a cigar up an interns vagina under oath and asking people not to rat him out was more of a national security threat than Trump's team conspiring with Russian to help rig the election in exchange for removing sanctions and reversal of The Magnitsky Act?
     
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