2016 Trump Tower Meeting Looks Increasingly Like a Setup by Russian and Clinton Operatives

Maybe you should read the article about CANDIDATE Obama and CANDIDATE Romney.

If you had bothered reading it, you might have seen the HEADLINE.

 

Sure.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...fb9411d332c_story.html?utm_term=.a284ad4144e8

FBI reviewed Flynn’s calls with Russian ambassador but found nothing illicit

Both Flynn, a former head of the Pentagon’s intelligence agency, and Kislyak, a seasoned diplomat, are probably aware that Kislyak’s phone calls and texts are being monitored, current and former officials said. That would make it highly unlikely, the individuals said, that the men would allow their calls to be conduits of illegal coordination.

Yeah Flynn was doing super secret stuff by calling lines he knew were under surveillance.

I mean, having worked in intelligence himself, he wouldn't know those things. That's why he did it out in the open and didn't use encrypted texting or something.

Amazing spy job for sekret russian collusion.

 

I don't know what the left's narrative is and don't care. I have followed the case and the facts.

There IS evidence he did something wrong. The FBI had a recording of Flynn talking to Kislyak (because we monitor all foreigner phone calls in the US), asked him about that conversation not telling him they had a recording, and he lied… to the FBI… having been part of the intelligence community and knowing the consequences. That alone was enough to put him in prison. The rest isn't going to be prosecuted because he made a plea deal.

 

Woolsey was invited to the conspiracy meeting to kidnap the guy…. and then he told the FBI, as soon as it happened, and quit the Trump team.

James Woolsey- former head of the CIA.

Flynn isn't going to be prosecuted for it, so there won't be charges, but we know he did it. Woolsey was there and told the FBI about it. Why continue to investigate the situation knowing that it wasn't going to result in prosecution… because, wait for it, Flynn took a plea deal.

I didn't claim anything falsely. Flynn did conspire… with Woolsey and others… to kidnap Fetullah Gulen, and send him back to Turkey, where he, as a political enemy of Erdogan, would be killed. Erdogan has asked that Gulen be extradited back to Turkey and the US has declined, because we know it would sign his death warrant. Plus, we're not sending anyone back to Turkey until they release the American cleric they are holding.

 

No. We know the FBI accused him of lying and we know he plead guilty to avoid a group of prosecutors with a history of sending innocent people to jail going after his son.

That's all we KNOW.

We know that the initial reviews of the phone calls were evaluated as having done nothing wrong.

We know that people in the FBI were surprised when he was charged after they initially found nothing wrong.

Those are the things we know.

We don't know he committed a crime, we just know he plead guilty. Actually being guilty is only one possibility.

 

We know more than is official court documentation. When a guy walks out of a meeting and says he was in a meeting about kidnapping and renditioning a legal US resident, then we know what that guy said. When that guy happens to be the former head of the CIA, we can add a little weight to what he said. When he immediately quit the Trump team, that adds more weight. When he went directly to the FBI, that adds more. It doesn't mean we don't know a single thing that Flynn did, other than what was in his plea deal.

We know that people in the FBI knew Flynn was lying about what he said to Kisylak because they had a tape of what he actually said, and Flynn's statement about the conversation contradicted the tape. We know that Flynn was also an illegally unregistered foreign agent for Turkey, while working as the National Security Advisor to the US President.

How do you do both of those things and not have a conflict of interest? You don't.

We know that Flynn used his influential position to change US military plans in Syria to ones that Turkey preferred. We know that Trump was told Flynn was under investigation by the FBI and Trump lied in tweets that he didn't know. We know Trump knew Flynn was under investigation when he asked Comey to let Flynn's investigation go.

We know more information than what has been charged. We also know things that won't be charged because Flynn made a deal.

 

I'd say based on the number of heads of intelligence groups getting demoted and fired, and the actions they have taken, that they have clearly shown they can't be trusted.

We know that heads of these intelligence agencies have lied before congress regarding spying on US citizens. We have the Snowden leaks and others reinforcing that fact.

So no, some guy from the CIA claiming Flynn did something is neither proof nor necessarily a reliable source.

We know the initial reviews of the tape and transcripts did not result in charges against Flynn.

Those charges against Flynn were not made until Mueller entered the field.

As far as FARA, there are thousands of them operating all over DC right now that aren't registered. Two US citizens in the last 20 years have been charged with FARA, and those were because of espionage associated with it.

The Podestas, for example, were not registered with FARA either.

Flynn's ties to Turkey is no more a conflict of interest than the Clintons receiving millions of dollars from foreign governments, including Russia.

 

Exactly as , even considering the current tensions with Erdogan, Turkey is a NATO ALLY JUST LIKE FRANCE, the UK and Germany, etal.

The Kremlin-linked Russians the Hillary Campaign hired , through FusionGPS, INCLUDING Veslenitskaya ARE NOT.

 

This comparison is obviously false.

First of all, it was no an "apology tour". It was essentially a meet and greet.

Second, it was done in the open, in public, and the subjects under discussion were revealed to the public.

Third, Obama did not go with the express purpose or intent of representing himself as an official with authority, as Flynn (and Kushner) did.

Forth, he made no attempt to hide what he was doing from public view, quite the opposite in fact. He drew huge crowds everywhere he went.

Trump draws no crowds abroad, In fact, he's afraid to be seen in public outside of some red states.

 

And excellent review of the current Trump talking points.

You dismiss the credibility of our entire intelligence and federal law enforcement community on the basis of a few people being dismissed or demoted.

Of ocurse, you conveniently neglect to mention that all of this was poltically motivated, as Trump is clearly trying to fire his way through the investigations into his Russian meddling. He has specifically attacked every single person that James Comey talked to after his conversations with Trump.

His latest move was stripping of Brennan's security clearance.

This time, he didn't' even bother to make up a fake excuse for it. The Administration made it very clear that this was an act of purely political spite.

So, you use this as an excuse to believe the words of a serial liar and his lickspittle accolydes.

"Those charges against Flynn were not made until Mueller entered the field. "

Oh, and this is completely false.

Once again (the second time in as many days) a right wing Trump supporter makes a completely false (and easily checked) claim aobut the Russian investigation.

You Trumpsters don't have much credibility.

These ridiculous conspiracy theories are monotonous.

And the fact that you can't even get basis facts about the case right says a lot about what you actually know.

 

I'll stand by my position.

The very article you cite notes that Obama's conversations took place in the public eye, with the full knowledge and cooperation of the the Bush Administration.

Obama did not hide behind cut outs. He did not dispatch his senior campaign officials to secret meetings with intelligence operatives of a country then engaged in cyber attacks against the UnitedStates.

And he didn't try and lie it all away after he got exposed doing it, either

No Obama official was ever investigated or charged these matters either. No crimes were committed.

You'll have to do a lot better than that.

 

I have yet to see any evidence of "collusion" charges from Muller

 

Oh you mean people like Chuck Todd, Jake Tapper, Jake Sherman of Politico. Amy Parnes, and hosts of leftists other than Most Democrats. Only a few Demos make a showing and usually around an election.

You didn't know all your Lame Stream Celebs are always showing up on Radio. Of course this is not surprising.

Mike Allen of VOX, Stephanie Rhule of MSDNC, Hosts, reporters, journalists and pundits. Left and Right. All with their own lil Sites with all their charts stats and numbers. Don't forget those Podcasts either.


Trends and Facts on Audio and Podcasts | State of the …
www.journalism.org/fact-sheet/audio-and-podcasting
Online radio listening in cars, such as listening to AM/FM stations online or streaming other online audio, continues its steady increase. In 2018, 44% of U.S. cellphone owners have ever listened to online radio in a car using a phone, up from just 6% in 2010.

Oh....so you don't know whats up with Talk Radio and Politics. Now why isn't that surprising?

 

I'd say that you're drawing a conclusion based on your own personal biases, when it comes to believing who can be trusted and who can't. Many people see those firings as politically motivated. We'll see what the courts rule, when they rule on the firings being done outside the normal administrative rules, standards, and procedures. It's very telling that Christopher Wray, the FBI Director, fired none of them, and in fact, threatened to quit if partisan pressure to fire them continued.

THE Podestas? That's VERY misleading. Tony Podesta wasn't registered with FARA. John Podesta had no need to register. They didn't work together. Besides that, Tony Podesta not being registered with FARA has nothing to do with Flynn planning a kidnapping and using his position to alter US military plans in the interest of Turkey, not the US, while in the position of National Security Advisor to the President. If you don't see espionage in those two acts, re-read the definition of espionage.

This is whataboutism, a Russian active measure. The same goes with your Snowden reference.

 

What person has been fired outside normal administrative rules and procedures?

Wray didn't fire them. They were fired off of the recommendations of either Rosenstein or the FBI ethics board. What they did to get fired are simple facts.

Yes, the Podestas. The Podestas were both knee deep in making money off Russia, just like the Clintons.

And no, it's not whataboutism. The supposed purpose of the "Russian" investigation is to find out where the Russians may be interfering in our country. To target Trump who has zero ties to the Russian jihad, while ignoring those who actually do, is actually the whataboutism. It is a deflection from the real corruption in our government away from those actively involved in taking millions of dollars from foreign governments and trying to project it onto someone else.

The simple truth is the investigation has nothing to do with Russia. It's all about trying to get to Trump in some way.

Nor are the Snowden leaks whataboutism. You suggested that we should take the word of a CIA operative based merely on the fact that you believe the CIA is an unquestionable source of truth in the matter.

But sure, the group that brought us PRISM, MK Ultra, injecting people with syphilis like the Tuskegee experiments and others should be totally trusted.

All I see is that you believe a lot of things that have no evidence, while ignoring the evidence that actually exists.

 

You're welcome to stand behind it all the way to the conclusion.

You can keep suggesting that officials were dispatched in "sekret", and that an intelligence official like Flynn and a US based Russian diplomat who had an open conversation via an official phone system were both too stupid to know they were monitored.

It doesn't matter. Believe what you want to.

 

If that is true then Ttump's gebonees are more guilible and naive than we previous we thought.

 

McCabe and Strzok were both fired outside normal FBI procedures. Both are suing. The recommendations on Strzok were a 60 day suspension and a demotion, not being fired. McCabe, similarly, was conveniently fired by Sessions, because Wray wouldn't do it, just before he could qualify for his pension. Only partisans see the circumstances surrounding these firings to be anything other than political.

If you have a citation that shows JOHN Podesta made money from Russia, cite it. My Google doesn't show me one. There are lots of citations that say Tony Podesta is very different from John Podesta, to the point people wonder if they really are brothers.

One guy, Snowden, left the country. The other guy, Woolsey, went to the FBI and quit the Trump campaign. They are not comparable.

Our government once allowed slavery. We don't any more. Are you really trying to pull back the Tuskegee experiments as a criticism of Woolsey?

You're welcome to whatever opinion of me you'd like to hold. I back up my posts with citations and facts. I don't ignore evidence. I question it, but I also follow the duck principle… if it quacks, waddles, swims, flies, and lays eggs, it's probably a duck, and I'm not going looking for evidence to prove it's really a snake.

 

1. Thanks
2. No, I didn't, but I'm glad to see leftists stop throwing urine bottles at the police for a few minutes.
3. Yes, it was politically motivated. It was politically motivated by the DNC, FBI, DOJ, Fusion and foreign governments trying to make sure Hillary Clinton won. Boo hoo she lost.
4. Good move. Brennan was only allowed to keep his clearance as long as he behaved as if he were an active employee.
5. He doesn't need a reason to remove his clearance.
6. Froth harder.
7. That's right. I even linked you to the article which said the FBI found nothing wrong with what he did. Would you like me to link it again so you can't read it again?
8. I've been right for the last year and a half. You haven't.

 

What stuns me is why Mueller opted for the lie charge in the first place? Logically, the only conclusion that comes to mind is that the Guten incident does not fall under the mandate.

 

No. McCabe was fired at the behest of the FBI ethics committee.

Good, let them sue.

Yes, and Strzok's supervisor overrode the suggestion and fired him. Are you questioning this fine upstanding law enforcement member of our intelligence community who made the decision to fire him?

Sure. Skolkovo, Rusnano, Joule, and Teneo.

No one was in bed more with Russia than the Clintons and everyone in their orbit.

http://www.g-a-i.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Report-Skolkvovo-08012016-2.pdf

Nice try to distance the Podestas from each other though, that was a nice touch.

My point is that the CIA doesn't have a history of being honest and forthright now do they?

If you don't like my old examples, perhaps we could discuss Brennan lying about surveilling members of Congress before getting caught doing just that?

 

McCabe leaked info to the media, a violation of the FBI's handbook. And Peter Strzok we recently learned did the EXACT same thing that HRC did. Remember when Comey said if it were anyone else, they'd be in some deep crap? Well Strzok, welcome to crap. They were both rightfully terminated.

 

Wrong. McCabe was fired for LACK OF CANDOR, after an extensive investigation by the HEAD OF THE DOJ, his boss.

Strzok was fired per DOJ regs, which allow leadership to set aside recommendations of punishment they deem either to severe, or not severe enough.

Both WELL WITHIN the rules and guidelines of the DOJ.

 

But sometimes it's true.

Whatever.

 

Oh and I'd like to address this last line by itself.

What evidence now, or ever, has there been that Putin and Trump conspired together to somehow have Putin elect him as the POTUS?

What evidence do we have that the FBI, DOJ, Fusion, the media, the DNC players worked together to generate the dossier for the purposes of putting Trump under surveillance and making it appear as if he might be working with the Russians? Of that evidence that has been uncovered, how much of it did those players try to hide?

One is overwhelming. The other is non-existent.