266,000 jobs added in November

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  1. rahl

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    Your graph shows it isn’t. Lol.
     
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    You've probably never learned how to calculate the slope in school.

    Flat: 2010 - 2016

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    Steeper: 2010 - 2018

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    Any questions?
     
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    If the economy remains good for 20 more years, the left will still credit obama but the minute it goes south, it will be the other guys fault, 20 years or 20 minutes...just come off it already, the guy is long gone.
     
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    No-one I hope. I just read that he has placed restrictions on what his employees can/cannot report without having their pay 'restricted'. Might be old news but it just ads to the one sided farce *shakes head*

    https://www.voanews.com/usa/us-politics/bloomberg-his-news-reporters-need-accept-restrictions
     
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    It's the right-wing view of this policy that is a one-sided farce. It makes sense for Bloomberg's own company not to get involved in attacking his rivals. It continues to report on Trump only in the capacity as the current sitting government. It's all perfectly reasonable and to be expected when someone in a position such as Bloomberg's enters a political campaign. As the story you've linked to reports:

    Bloomberg News says the restriction does not apply to President Donald Trump as the government's leader.​

    "As the government's leader" is a key point here. It would be unreasonable for any news organization not to report on the current government. But Trump is an accomplished liar, professional victim and public manipulator, so he attacks Bloomberg and this policy of his as "waah! unfair! waah!" the same way he attacks Democrats and everyone else who doesn't obey his every whim.
     
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    Again, your own graph is refuting your claim.
     
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    If you believe that then you're delusional because the trend clearly changed in 2017.
     
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    My point is that Bloomberg's employees are not allowed to probe him or his finances yet they still get open season on Trump and of course he will try to use that to his advantage.
     
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    Trump is the president, so yes, it's always "open season" on his royal highness. Too bad.

    But to claim that Bloomberg will somehow cheat because of this is just, well, unfair.
     
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    Dude. Unless your living in a cave or in absolute denial, the economy has done nothing but prosper and grow under Trump's administration.

    It's almost comical that you try to deny that.
     
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    I'm sorry to confuse you. One can be busy but not worried; that's me. Another can be idle while terrified and looking for a safe space (you?) :D
     
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    It is you who look quite silly, my friend, not answering inconvenient questions. Here, try again - assuming Trump is riding Obama's coattails, he did not ruin the economy, your and yours dire predictions notwithstanding. The economy is booming and no recession predicted by you and yours is insight. Which means, Trump is not all that incompetent. Right?

    One way or another, Trump looks very good and the country acknowledges his success by giving him high job performance marks. Right? :applause:
     
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    I like taking Trump's economic data to the bank much more than when I took Obama's economic data to the bank. What it should tell you is your economic data from 2010 is utter bullshit.
     
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    One look into my bank's archived statements tells me you're wrong. So, should I trust you or my bank? :D
     
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    There were 41 , 000 of these jobs that represented GM workers coming off strike. These are NOT jobs created. So good that we restored 41,000 job s and "added" thousands of holiday temp jobs but by January the temp jobs are gone.
     
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    If you looked at the facts you would see that job growth has been a 10 year upward path started during Obama and continued so far during Trump years. Good that Trump did not screw up what was started under Obama. Note I did not say that Obama started the job growth but it started during Obama years. They are continuing during Trump years, so far that is.
     
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    I remember Obamayears... I remember all the newspapers and pundits complaining and bitching at employers who all of a sudden started cutting employee's hours to circumvent Obamacare. Do you remember these years?

    Nearly 95% of all new jobs during Obama era were part-time, or contract
     
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    This is a non-sequitur. The BLS counts payroll prints during the reference week of the 12th of every month. Last month, when GM workers weren't working, they were not counted because they were not referring a paycheck. This month, they are receiving a paycheck, so they are counted. By all metrics, these are jobs created because these include people who if not given the opportunity to work would continue to be unemployed. This would be wages that not contribute to the economy. Therefore, it's only rational to count these net gains the same way we count any other net gains.

    Also, the BLS adjust for cyclical effects in seasonal hiring.
     
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    Part time and and temp jobs syndrome started started during Bush I and continued during Clintonian years and during Bush II and Obama and Trump.

    True that Obama care avoidance by companies was an unintended fall out of Obama Care.

    I understand the temp worker syndrome and part time worker deal very well. In the waning years of Bush I I along with thousands of insurance, financial, and banking employees got "down sized". I survived with three part time jobs one being a one man business run out of my house. I would have loved to keep building my business but I could not afford private health insurance at COBRA prices. I needed insurance because my wife went into organ failure and on dialysis the same day that I was laid off.
    I eventually got back into corporate work as a temp and lucky after three months was offered a full time position ( same job I did as a temp) with health insurance benefits. "We" hired ( I became a hiring manager) only Temps and even when I retired a few years ago "we" still hired mostly temps and if we liked their work they were offered full time as I was years ago.

    So you can "cherry pick" or "sauerkraut pick" anything you want from any presidential and make an argument positive of negative.

    So yes a lot of jobs during Obama years are temp or part time but 95% that is beyond the bounds of believability.

    As I pointed out Temp workers syndrome ( contract worker syndrome also) started under Bush I, continued under Clinton, Bush II, Obama, and Trump.

    You can find the stats that support by facts if you search the Bureau of Labor Statistics.


    While you are doing that go and find out why the manufacturing jobs and vial mining jobs Trump promised he would bring never materialized.

    Oh Zi forgot Mexico was going go create manufacturing and coal mining jobs, right!
     
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    Not according to the graph you posted, or any other economic data. Sorry.
     
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    I’m not going to let you deflect. You are claiming the BLS data I gave you, refuting the silly claim you made was faked. I’m asking if you want to revise that position, or continue liking silly?
     
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    So prove it wrong. Provide the economic data that shows the BLS is wrong. Lol.
     
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    This is a proven falsehood, as you know.
     
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    "I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion about the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it." Benjamin Franklin
     
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    Lol..........


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