2nd Amendment Keeps winning.

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  1. perdidochas

    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    If she tries, she loses big time. Remember what happened to Bill Clinton after he pushed through and signed the Brady Bill and AWB in 1994? It was what caused the House to go Republican for the first time in 40 years, and since then the Republicans have held the House for all but 2 terms (out of 11).
     
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    Why give her 1/2 a chance ?

    Then later, you will say; "That old hag took our guns away, just like that" fingersnap.....
     
  3. perdidochas

    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    She can't take away our guns like that. And if she tries, she loses it all--heck, it might produce a veto proof Republican majority in the Senate.... She's like any other politician--makes a lot of loud noises, but she will be ineffectual. I'm just as afraid of Trump giving away our gun rights. His first instinct whenever a mass shooting occurs is to think about gun control---he did it at Sandy Hook and with the Orlando shooting. He couldn't do it in between, because it would have killed him in the primaries. Trump's basic view is that we need more background checks and longer waiting periods and no assault weapons. Not as strident as Hillary, but still anti-gun down deep. He's a NYC liberal at heart. He only pretends to like guns to fool people like you. That's why I'm not voting for either one. Both Hillary Supporters and Trump Supporters have accused me of supporting their opponents. Both are wrong. Not voting for Trump or Hillary is not supporting either of them.
     
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    So do you believe by not voting that you are helping the 2a cause?
    By not voting for Trump you are helping Hillary do the following:

    1. Fight the NRA
    2. Appoint liberal activist Supreme Court justices.
    3. Keep Obamas open border policies that frustrate the border patrol officers, and allow drugs and human trafficking.
    4. Help keep sanctuary cities that harbor illegal fugitives from immigration laws.
    5. Bring in 620,000 Syrian refugees into our country with no identification or way of knowing which are the terrorists.
    6. Foster an environment where Black Lives Matter becomes a larger movement, and further divides our country and alienates law enforcement.
    7. Release criminals from prison so they can create more victims in the name of racially disproportionate incarceration.
    8. Make it possible for victims of illegal gun violence to be able to sue gun shops and firearm manufacturers, effectively putting them out of business.
    9. Raise taxes to eliminate college tuition and remove student debt.
    10. Defend Obamacare.
    11. Create an environment where political correctness is nurtured and those that disagree with the liberal agenda are ostracized.
    12 . Exponentially increase our 20 trillion dollars of national debt by increasing entitlement programs.
    13. Allow the federal government to dictate school curriculum through common core.
    14. Continue the agenda to expand the democratic voting base by promoting illegal immigration and lobbying for illegal immigrant citizenship.

    There is so much more, but I'm tired of typing.
     
  5. perdidochas

    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    I believe by not voting for a major party candidate for President that I am not complicit in which of the corrupt liars becomes President. I am voting against both of them.

    Nothing conservative will come out of Trump, and in fact, I think he would push the country as liberal as Hillary would. The difference being that the Republicans in Congress will rally against Hillary. It's harder to rally against your own party's President. Trump will make the NRA look stupid, as he pushes for gun control. He isn't one of us. He has no true tie to guns, other than as what he (a lifelong liberal) thinks Republicans should believe. He's a caricature of conservatism, not a true conservative. He will make things worse. His first response to crime issues is authoritarianism and gun control. That's why I'm not voting for him. If Trump wins, I'll be telling all of you I told you so. He's not one of us.

    I agree with you that Hillary shouldn't be President as well, which is why I'm not voting for her. If she pushes too hard on guns, she loses. That's what happened to Bill in 1994. He lost the House for the Democrats for the first time in 40 years, and we've managed to keep it for all but 2 terms of the 11 terms since then. If she pushes on guns, we may get a veto proof majority again.

    Both sides have accused me of helping their opponent, so don't give me the a vote for third party is a vote for Hillary crap. It's simply not true. I'm not supporting either one of them--neither have the moral character or principles to be President.
     
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    I understand your concerns about Trump. But a vote that is not for Trump will help Hillary with the agenda that I outlined.
    Regarding guns, I've never heard Trump say that he will pursue legislation that will allow gun shops and manufactures be sued for the illegal use of guns.
    Its right on the Hillary Clinton website that she will fight for this cause. I think its a big deal. Can you imagine 8000 lawsuits a year? How many gun shops will go out of business? How much will be spent on litigation? How will this effect the price of firearms?
     
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    Which will do what precisely? The simple answer is absolutely nothing.
     
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    It may even set our cause back a few decades, perhaps even lead to another civil war.
     
  9. perdidochas

    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    That doesn't matter. What matters to me is that I didn't vote for either Trump or Hillary. Neither will be good for our country.
     
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    I don't buy it. If Hillary is President she can do exactly nothing about gun control without Congress. I don't buy paranoia about civil war. The last time our cause got setback by legislation, it led to a Republican takeover of the House for the first time in 40 years. Nothing good for Hillary comes if she pursues gun control. Trump is simply not a morally acceptable person for the Presidency. Neither is Hillary. To vote for either, IMHO, is voting for corruption and oligarchy.
     
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    The actions of Barack Obama would suggest otherwise.
     
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    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    And what has he done that increases gun control? Nothing.
     
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    How is that a win for our Second Amendment; there is still a gun problem in the State of Illinois. We have a Second Amendment and we need, better aqueducts and better roads.

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    Only in right wing fantasy. The Intent and Purpose for our Second Amendment, is in the first clause, not the second clause.
     
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    In my experience (and I lobbied against gun control beginning in the early 1980s), when you have an anti gun president, the Republicans will vote for gun control and then claim the president made them do it. For example, in 1994 both Gerald Ford and Turncoat Ronald Reagan wrote letters in support of Dianne Feinstein's Assault Weapon Ban legislation.

    U.S. Senators from the Republican side of the aisle voting for the 1994 ban included Senators Chafee, Cohen, Danforth, D'Amato, Kassebaum, Roth and Specter. So, in the Senate, about 14 percent of the support for the AWB came from Republicans. The reality is, too many Republicans are willing to compromise your Second Amendment Rights. That is one reason you never want a Democrat representing you as president.
     
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    Then he did not enact a trade embargo against the nation of Russia to prohibit the importation of parts kits for AK-47 rifles? He did not play any part in implementing operation choke point that has caused banks to refuse to do business with federally licensed firearms dealers? He has done absolutely nothing?
     
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    Do you mean besides his creating Operation Chokepoint that put some gun shops out of business and pressures banks not to do business with gun shops?
    Or an executive order that allows doctors to ask patients if they own a gun so the doctor can drop the patient?
    Or the fact that due to his failures on a federal level, he has encouraged states like California and New York to pass anti gun legislation?
     
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    "2nd Amendment Keeps winning. "

    Every free American has the Constitutional right to bear arms, free speech and believe in the religion of their choice
     
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    y'all didn't seem to care about natural rights when just drugs were involved; why so much concern now about Your property, my Goode men.
     
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    Drugs and other illicit substances are not protected by the constitution.

    Would you have no concern if you were forced under penalty of felony conviction, to acquire a permit from government to have access to the internet?
     
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    reading comprehension, both forward and backward, is not your strong suit, is it?

    y'all didn't seem to care about natural rights when just drugs were involved; why so much concern now about Your property; dear, Persons on the nine-hundred ninety-nine "front".
     
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    Because this is a gun control forum. Maybe there is a drug control forum you can find.
     
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    y'all didn't seem to care about natural rights...
     

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