46% Young Americans Believe USA Is Racist, 44% believe Obama greater than George Washington

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  1. Adfundum

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    Did you ever live in Japan? I was 10 when we arrived and 13 when we left. We did live off-base, and spent a lot of time immersed in their culture. That much couldn't be avoided.

    I never said anything that put them above reproach--I don't know where you're getting these ideas. What I have said is that none of that in any way excuses or diminishes their hatred of foreigners. And I have to say that hatred is a general, cultural thing, not a universal concept. We lived next door to some Japanese who were very nice to us and kept in contact with my parents for years after we left. I also have clear memories of a woman who owned a store about a block away from us, and she hated us. She yelled, cursed, and took our money. Then she threw our change out onto the street. I have videos of protesters at one of the base gates beating our car with bamboo poles yelling, "Yanki go home" while we tried to get on base. My overall impression is that most were very polite and treated us with much respect, but I was well aware of how the rest felt about us, and how far their tolerance would go.

    We got to see much of the country. We took lots of field trips to lots of places. There was a small train station within walking distance of the school, and from there we could take other trains to many other locations. But before we could go on those trips, we had to learn about the culture. I have a lot of mixed feelings about Japan, but I'd go back in a heartbeat.
     
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    This is why I have no problem getting what I can from what is left of this country then retiring outside the US. I can then watch these folks suffer for making such poor decisions from afar.

    I wonder how the Venezuelans are enjoying their income equality?
     
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  3. Libby

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    Your argument starts with a failed premise ---- that criticism of Obama was racist, which it was not.

    Criticism of Obama was deserved, but Obama and his sycophantic worshipers tried to blow all of it off as "racism" instead of admitting their idol was imperfect. Somehow Obama's cloak of "blackness" was supposed to make him untouchable and virtually holy, according to his defenders who played the race card for eight straight years.

    "Racism" is the failed argument of people who are unable to come up with any legitimate defense of Obama. It's false, misleading, intellectually lazy and dishonest, and just perpetuates racial tensions. A non-racist adult would be able to look at criticism of Obama at face value, instead of hiding behind the race card. I have no respect for people whose only argument is "racism".

    White-hating? That's racism too, sorry. It's no more acceptable to vilify whites on the grounds of race than it is to vilify blacks on the grounds of race. That's the problem with identity politics too, it's just one more way to divide us and weaken our nation as a whole.

    Or unless you're Rachel Dolezal, in which case the magic number is somewhere around "0" ;)

    Obama and the Democrats are the ones who pushed "first black president" ad nauseam and brought the black narrative to the forefront.

    "If Obama was white he would have never won." I absolutely agree ---- and I'm one of those who was guilty of voting for Obama. It also didn't help that McCain wasn't a better candidate, or that he didn't choose a better running mate, but the fact is that an overwhelming number of Americans got caught up in the hype and excitement of the "first black President" and never scratched beneath the surface.

    "As they mature and are exposed to the need to work for food one of two things will happen." Those two things are ---- they realize they'd better get a job and support themselves, or they fall for the allure of "free stuff" and become lifelong burdens on society. The working class tends to resent taxes and big government, while the welfare class loves taxes (since they don't pay them) and big government (since it supports them.)

    Again, you clearly don't understand what "identity politics" are. You seem to think identity politics is just white vs black and it is not. Identity politics seek to divide people in a myriad of ways ---- race, sexuality, religion, wealth, etc ---- and then separates us into little sub-groups so that the little sub-groups lose sight of the big picture, and instead of working together towards bigger and more worthwhile goals the sub-groups tend to instead get distracted fighting against each other. America is strongest as a cohesive group. Anti-Americans, like Obama, would prefer to see America slowly rot from the inside as Americans break off into little sub-groups and start fighting against each other.
     
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    Yes you did. You specifically compounded on the discussion and interjected your own racist theories and beliefs.

    This is demonstrably false. Large portions of the population were not intolerant of Obama being in office because he was black. Every response you have is steeped in racist connotations despite the fact that Obama was elected because the majority of white people voted for him! :)
     
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    We should start a Socialist Exchange Program and have US students go live in China or Cuba or somewhere.

    Those that survive would probably have a different viewpoint when they returned.
     
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    We all know exactly what Obama is like and his thinking, however there is not a living person that has the faintest clue as to what George Washington or any of our founding fathers were like.
     
  7. Adfundum

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    And yours starts with a failure to understand what I wrote. I never said or suggested all criticism of Obama was racist. You can't deny that as soon as he announced he was running, there were lots of references to his racial identity.

    And again, the defensive retort to any suggestion that White America has racial attitudes. How did pointing out racial attitudes become "White Hating?" It's an attempt to defend by deflecting.

    Who is "they" in this statement? What assumptions and stereotypes are at work?

    What does that have to do with anything? The identity we're concerned with on this topic is racial. And I mentioned previously that I was not an Obama fan, so pulling him into this doesn't hurt my feelings.

    Working together towards bigger and more worthwhile goals has to start with allowing that to happen, not by dismissing the goals and needs of minorities as unimportant. You want inclusion and cohesion or do you want to chunk Obama supporters into the "welfare class" stereotype. It's one or the other on that.
     
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    it does on venus.
     
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    -46% of younger Americans agree that “America is more racist than other countries”


    Ok, I have to admit I wasn't using quantifiers, and in such cases "all" is the assumed quantifier. You got me. I deserved that. However...my point was that Obama's presidency brought out racism in many Whites. This means that we can't deny our racial tendencies, and sheds light on why 46% of younger Americans agree that “America is more racist than other countries.”
     
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    I want to be a mind reader when I grow up. I can never know what anyone was thinking, so I have to say I "think" I know what a person was thinking.
     
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    we can form a good idea from history especially if you read what they have written
     
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    From your own statements. The "racial attitude" is literally coming from YOU.

    A 10 year old doesn't doesn't really understand how far their tolerance would go or how the mood of the country in general was. Nor would a 10 year old understand how the rest of the country felt outside of their own personal experiences. Armed Forces Radio Network would be no help and local Japanese TV is virtually no help, especially if you are not fluent in Japanese. Children are easy to fool. Not to diminish your experiences in Japan, as a 10-13 year old, it would be a great education and a great way to see things most kids don't. But to look back now and make these statements, I tend to think they are tainted, especially given the racial accusations you have made about America.

    Yes, I have lived in Japan as well as several other foreign countries, in and out of Asia over the course of many years.
     
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    I will agree many didn't vote for Obama for the sole reason because he is black but many more voted for Obama for the reason of him being black which is just as wrong
    Obamas race shouldn't have been a factor not to vote for him or to vote for him it shouldn't be used as a factor at all
     
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    How many of them could pass the citizenship test on knowledge of American history and gov't. Now compare that to previous generations.


    Strongly recommended -
    Cartoon History books by Larry Gonick.
    Academic. College level. With extensive bibliography.
    Even drove be to learn who Barak was before Obama.
    General Sisera, Prophetess Deborah and Ya'el too.
    Made me read my Bibles. I have various translations.

    If you feed your exhausted guest a nice bowl of milk,
    give them a blanket and as they nap
    put a tent stake through their head - - -
    Is that a violation of the rules of hospitality?

    Look up, Deborah, Barak, Sisera and let me know.
    Yo 'bama, it's a Hebrew name, - - - - - Barry.



    Poor, Christian, Roma Downy had to edit some of these scenes
    to reduce the Devil's presence in her Jesus series.
    [​IMG]
    How could such a match up have occurred?
    Maybe a message by the Lord. :worship:
    [​IMG]



    Moi :oldman:



    :nana: :flagcanada:
     
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    How many of those kids have lived in foreign countries and what are they comparing it to? Who is feeding them this nonsense?


    I disagree completely with that. It was a majority of white voters that got him elected and the ones who voted against him were not racist but were voting for who they thought would be a better candidate. The notion that racism or intolerance for Obama is just a defense mechanism by liberal and Democrats when faced with criticism. Criticism of Obama for his failed policies frequently has his defenders immediately playing the "race card" every chance they get. If anyone is fanning the flames of racial tension, it's Obama and his supporters.

    Democrats and liberals feed upon identity politics at almost every turn. They did it to Obama in a positive way (positive to Obama) and they do it to Trump in a negative way.
     
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    On the day Obama was elected I watched CNN and MSNBC and other news organizations conducting exit polling and I would say more than a few white looking liberal men said they "voted for Obama to prove they weren't racist."

    But if Obama's skin factor played a role for voting for Obama, under the liberal revisionist definition of "racist" wouldn't that make these white liberals racist ?

    If Barack Obama had white skin would have the DNC even considered running Obama for President ?
    I already know the answer,,,NO.

    From a reliable source, (Tom Hayden) the former leadership of the "New Left" back in 2005 convinced the DNC to run a black man for President in 2008.

    Would anyone have voted for Obama if he were white ?
     
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    So because idiots believe something it's truth?

    Quick tell the scientists to stop, that isn't how truth works anymore.
     
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    Obama had the same problem with a lot of Blacks, too, which was compounded by the fact he was brought up in a White household.

    Whoever pointed that out was correct. Mixed-race people are always going to encounter those attitudes with race conscious people.
     
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    I’m no longer proud of a country where most think the American Civil War was fought in the 1960’s and communism/socialism is a valid and decent form of government.

    Contemporary society is a joke. I haven’t flown my flag since 1/20/09.
     
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    This is sort of what a discussion with you feels like @Adfundum ;) Your insistence that America is racist, or that myself or the average "White American" or anyone else on this thread has "racial attitudes" does not make it true. You may have racist tendencies, but trying to project your own "racial attitudes" on someone else does not make for a useful debate. Furthermore, there is nothing "defensive" in pointing out flaws in your projection logic.

    As far as trying to put words in my mouth, or anyone else's here, that's another sign you have lost the debate. Discuss what I say, not what you think I meant. Or just accuse everyone of having "racial attitudes" and call it a day :handshake::bye:

    I welcome varied well-thought-out viewpoints, but folks can shove their race cards where the sun doesn't shine :D
     
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    In the future hopefully in the near future we will have enough interracial relationships and breeding we wont have indistinguishable races any more
    but what will liberals do when that happens?
     
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    Hopefully people **** whoever they want and everything will turn out like it will.
     
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    So much for La Raza.

    I sure hope they don't end breeding thorogood horses or the race track isn't going to be to exciting placing bets on mules.

    I just can't picture a world without German Shepherds and other really cool dogs.

    I really don't want to picture a world with only 12 billion Mexicans.

    A world with no diversity !!! :eyepopping::icon_jawdrop::crossbones:
     
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    I don't know that I care really to purposely preserve nor eliminate races just for the sake of preserving or eliminating races, but it does pose an interesting premise ---- what would liberals do if they couldn't cry "racism" any more.

    Of course, identity politics leaves many other categories for divisiveness. When even the lesbians, gays, and transgenders are beginning to feel the tensions of identity politics amongst their own group, the opportunities for identity politicing are probably unlimited even without beating the "whites are racist" horse to death anymore.
     
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    And more importantly, the media.
     
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