5 Common Misperceptions About Religion in Public Schools

By the way, Neutral, are you seriously under the impression that atheists really do believe in invisible pink unicorns and the flying spaghetti monster? That was a joke, right?

 

I am pretty well comvinced that you think everyone else does. No matter what the evidence says. But sense you cannot disprove God, or even speak intelligently on the subject, you make up outrageously stupid things and very logically declare them the same thing - which is totally and completely fallacious.

Do you even need to ask such a question?

Do you understand why people think atheists are arrogant?

BTW - the subject is prayer in school, why is yet another atheist babbling on about the same 'evidence' for God like an arrogant declaration of YOUR faith means ... everything? And you are once again, accusing us of making things up?

Pryare in school, good bad, figure it out? Nope. Prayer in school = I am an atheist. What is there is debate?

 

Then maybe you should go back and read what I said.

Jesus was a real person, who seems to have had some ideas - which we apparently just made up - but which we have historical evidence for in many cases, that mean nothing? And everything i the scope of history both before and after is ewqually made up? Its funy how our imaginations seem verified in facts, and yours ... can't seem to latch onto reality at any point in the historical record?

No matter how solid the case, it doesn't happen in atheism. Adament denial at any cost?

And why am I having to talk about evidential records again with anothet random atheist? Do you see the thread title?

Because if you want to egage others about the folly of making things up, you may want to address the sheer mental paranoia of turning prayer in a state level threat requiring immediate resources of the state to block for fear that offended atheists will randomly explode when they discover a centuries old piece of art has a religious symbol buried in it and the rapidly beating heart of anguish, fear, lothaing, and anger in an atheist will just cause said explosion unless a law suit is immediately filed to eliminate this scourge that will unravel the constitution ... the moment an atheist finds it.

No, I assure you, in the making crap up department, atheism can definitely teach even Scientology a thing or two.

 

You seem hesitant to address the magic nature of Jesus, a falsehood made up and perpetuated by Christians. Address that at your convenience.

 

Its been addressed many, many times. When you can neither prove nore disprove something, but it has eye witnesses to it, when we have modern,. scientifically documented miracles, when I have personally witnessed a miracles ... well affirmation seem more appropriate than doubt. Doubt would perhaps be acceptable .... but the utter stupidity of claiming that billion people just made it up and comparing it to a dickish piece of mockery? Yep that is atheism.

Do you really think being close minded is a sign of great intellect?

Just remember Maytag, our 'imagination' produces prayer.

Yours? Lawsuits.

 

omg....................... christians are who use laws against human beings

ie...... an atheist would find it wiser to put a liar in the dirt for misleading people while the christians will pay someone to defend their lies

 

You are close minded if you won't allow for any other possible explanation other than magic (miracle).

I think it may have been a miracle, and that your God may be real. I'm open minded.

Do you think it may have not been a miracle and that your God may not be real? Let's see how open-minded you are.

 

I did, maybe you should stop looking for excuses and recall that I am a former atheist. Oh, I explored many religions, which is why I know most atheists struggle with all concepts of religion and usually get it wrong.

You are not open minded when the only reason you study religion is to turn its teachings on its head so you can injure the vulnerable like Jedi. I am sure you call that being open minded, most others just call it really mean.

Now, did it occur to you that watching a man be pronounced dead on two separate occassions, have the doctor inform the family of his death, and then escort the familiy into see the man who was suddenly alive and with no ill effects from either a stroke or aheart attack?

Now, consider that I am a combat veteran and I have seen an awful lot of horrific injuries and dead people. Guess how many OTHER people pronounced dead by medics and doctors I have seen rise from the dead with their injuries miraculously healed? Zero.

Did it occur to your 'open' mind that it just might be real? No - well, so much for the idea of an open mind, you denied it before you even knew what it was.

 

something HE could not explain and that's his miracle................!1

funny.......................


No such thing as miracles!

Period!


Magic aint an option!


WE are capable to any miracle of CREATION with the use of the 'word'.

and a guy like me, has the name of the boss, imagine what that can enable mankind to 'create' (know) and understand

of course, being serious to what is real

 

Sure, it could have been a miracle. I'm not exactly ready to rule out any other possible explanation like you have. I'm a little more open minded than that.

 

What is it about separation of church and state that you don't understand exactly?

 

The fact that I have ctually read the Establishment Clause and another atheist has not.

Still not tracking how art takes on massive magica threat to the Republic - nor indeed are you making a case as to why art is fine, but art with any kind of religious symbol suddenly becomes ... what exactly? Perhaps you should try making an actual case by referrencing the ACTUAL establishment clause - or you can blindly dump and highly arrogant opinion, one that assumes your opinion is gospel and should just be accepted?

Maybe, in addition to reading the Establishment Clause, you could:

a. Notcie that atheists following the propoganda you just wrote are actually losing more cases than they are winning these days.

b. Explain to use how blocking faith isn't favoring YOUR faith.

c. See if you can address the effects that a series of frivilous law suits attempting to block the legitimate and protected expression of someone else's faith have had upon atheism.

Because, atheists like you scream bloody murder about religion. However, when a public display of nativity was blocked in San Diego last year, the PUBLIC display of atheist trite, having gamed the system to block the display of all others, wasn't illegal - it was just a really man spirited thing to do ... like filing frivilous law suits that make art into a greater threat to our society than drugs, economic decline, and terrorism.

Yep that is indeed atheism, all wrapped up in one single arrogant sentence that assumes everyone who disagrees with an athieist is stupid.

 

I am not an atheist and students are allowed to pray in school.

You point completely fictitious and moot as usual.

Do you have anything factual, or maybe constructive to add to the discussion?

 

Only school sponsored prayer is prohibited, not prayer in general.

 

I suggesting going back to the OP, reread it, and correct all of the factual inaccuracies found in your latest post.

 

Firstly. I have served my country and made sacrafices. But thanks for assuming you know anythign about me. But let me assure you that there ARE atheists in Fox holes.


Secondly. Its NOT semantics. its the ENTIRE POINT I AM MAKING. In some cases your not ALLOWED to walk out and so are involuntarily being FORCED to partake in someones religion. How the heck is THAT American?


The problem with you wacky political christians is this. You guys dont WANT freedom of religion. You guys your religion to be favored, to be special.


To you guys, who claim there is some kind of war on Christianity, feel that way because you dont WANT your religion to have equal say in the public sqaure. You guys want SPECIAL say and privlidge. And when someone tries to put your religion in the same catagory as all the others, you guys decry a "war on christianity"

what a load of freaking crap. Grow the heck up. Seriously.

 

The fact of the matter is those states are breaking the law, and slowly but surely those laws are being over turned. Thanfully.

 

I think Jesus was a real person. I do NOT think he was not the son of god, and he performed no miracles. More than likely he was nothing more than a common scam artist.

 

And nor can you PROVE god in ANY sense of the imagination. After all you cnt prove a negative. Personally, I am far more willing to accept what my eyes and ears and mind have shown me. Which is, there is no such thing as god.

 

I think he understands it just fine. He just doesnt like it. Most fundie christians dont. They think that trying to put christianity on the same level as all other religions somehow equals a war on christainity.

News flash folks. Christianity doesnt DESERVE to have an "enshrined" place in our government.

 

Agh, you can indeed prove a negative.

I am NOT a beetle. Why, because beetles cannot type. Congrats, I just proved a negative!

Here you go killer:

http://departments.bloomu.edu/philosophy/pages/content/hales/articlepdf/proveanegative.pdf

Its an agonizing four pages in large type proof though ... so, let me know if its too complicated for you. Every other atheist who has made that claim, save one, never even bothered to read it.

 

And you guys don't preach, eh?

Cannot explain why art suddenly becomes Skeletor and yourself He-Man? Bit only when its noticed by an atheist? Well, just call someone else a fundie and pretend yu are not projecting.

Can't debate - attack the messager! Yeah atheism!

 

And being silent for a moment forces you to participate in which religion exactly? Right.


Right, Sematic BS, which is why the courts have repeatedly upheld the moment of silence - which is also used to honor fallen veterans - what cads they to offens atheists so!!!!

So, in your own words - grow the hell up. TH efact that you are emotional about blindly subscribed to atheism is YOUR problem not mine. I just have to keep throwing in the REALITY of the courts.

But heh, you make sure your atheist pals start out their court appearence with, "Listen your honor! You better grow the hell up!!!"

See how that goes for you.

 

Moments of silence are offensive to Pentacostals because they whisper and carry on during prayer. So if the intention is to allow those so inclined to pray but not to make everyone participate in that, then the Pentacostals are getting screwed because their particularly noisy prayers are being excluded.

 

The problem with having religion in school is that the Christians think that they will always be the majority and therefore control it. What happens when the muslims gain parity and demand concessions for their rituals? Will classtimes have to be adjusted so that the muslim kids can engage in specified prayer times? Will the schools have to broadcast the muslim call to prayer?

What happens if the school population includes segments from widely diverse religions? It's possible that no teaching could get done because one group or another is always engaging in lengthy rituals.

Here's a clue: That's why religions have churches, temples, and mosques. It's asinine to turn schools into those things.