6 in 10 Americans don't have $500 in savings

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  1. Hotdogr

    Hotdogr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Any disciplined person in this country can retire a millionaire by saving $50 per week, if they start when they're young.
     
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    that is about 200 a month
    2600 a year
    260,000 in 100 years

    and that is if the family has 2600 extra dollars laying around a year
     
  3. The Wyrd of Gawd

    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    Are you sure about that? On my Earth it would take a person 384.6 years to save one (1) million dollars at the rate of $50 a week.
     
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    So why don't you work 100 or 120? Just think how productive you could be??? This is an area where I tend to agree with the left and the EU. We DO work FAR too many hours. It would be fine if life were eternal but its not. It's very short and our prime years are even shorter. What a sad thing to have spent a larger % of your life as a cog in the machine than actually living.
     
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    Ever hear of compound interest?
     
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    Hotdogr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    At just 6.75% annual growth, $50/wk grows to $1,036,417.12 in 50 years. If you start when you're 16 and are disciplined, you can retire at 65 a millionaire mowing one lawn per week on Saturday. I bet he could write "Funding my retirement, please help." on a piece of cardboard and spend one day per week on the off-ramp and make $50. This country is full of opportunity for the sufficiently motivated.
     
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    if you have no health issues, always have more money then you need to live, ect.... why min wage needs to go up

    and banks need to give 6.75% for savings accts

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  8. Quantum Nerd

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    Plus take away 1.5% of that because of high funds expense ratios, making the bankers rich.

    But, don't hit the ideologues with facts, it could destroy their "what if" tooth fairy world.
     
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    If that money is invested wisely after the first thousand or so, it could happen.

    And if a family doesn't have a spare 2600 a year, they shouldn't be a family. By that I mean, if you don't have that much in excess in a given 12 months, you have no business having children. What if something happens to one of them and you need $10,000 for medical expenses?
     
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    It's not what if, it's what is. Look, I'm a socialist, and would like to believe that all the poor folk are there through no fault of their own. That would be a tooth fairy world. But I know it ain't so. In our rich nations, with welfare safety nets etc, there is simply no excuse for anyone with a sound mind and body. It's CHOICE.
     
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    Who has ever claimed that there are no poor folk who are there through their own fault? I sure haven't. I just dispute that 60-70% of Americans are such bad decision makers.
     
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    Americans spend. It they make more, they spend more. It is our culture. The Chinese are much better with their money. Even though they make less, they save more.

    This is not a Rep vs Dem argument; it is the result of not teaching people financial responsibility. (Its not like our government is setting a good example)

    If you have kids, teach them to save and invest. There is a board game called "Cash Flow for Kids" I highly recommend it.

    From the time my kids were old enough to understand money, I taught them to save.
     
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    One argument against savings accounts is that you earn so little money back with them. The savings account calculators feature charms like the default rate set at 4% but in reality you're lucky to find 1% interest and at most banks it goes down by a lot, some at a fraction of a percent.
     
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    Only a very small fraction of that 70% would be genuinely unable to ever save money. And I don't count things like addiction as genuine disability/health restrictions. One of the most horrifying aspects of life in a rich land, is just how many people choose to be poor. Not for altruistic reasons (environmental, philosophical, in order to use less and give more, etc), but purely due to laziness and 'need it now' thinking.
     
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    I salute you. You're investing in your personal infrastructure instead of wasting money on needless expenditures. And yet you are able to save, albeit a small amount, but save. People like you are what makes this country great.

    Regards,

    Jason Bourne
     
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    Absolutely right, about all of it. The Chinese laugh at our apathy and our lack of regard for financial security.

    Meantime, I don't think westerners lack knowledge. We all know how to save - what we lack is the will to do so. We simply don't want to save. This is a symptom PURELY of poor emotional intelligence. We're like little kids. No maturity whatsoever. That's what the Chinese have ... emotional IQ.
     
  17. Bluesguy

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    Why doesn't he adjust his withholdings on his W4 then?

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    They don't have mymoney how did they get your money?
     
  18. Bluesguy

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    Never heard of the power of compound interest and earnings?
     
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    Do you guys invest at all? Yourbinvestmengs earn money and that money is reinvested aand that money earns money and on and on and on. Do that for 45 years and you'll have a pile of cash.
     
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    Then work fewer hours be less productive but of course receive less compensation. Personally I am not a cog in a machine. I'm in commissioned sales and pretty much work as I choose to work.

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    Amazing how people so do not take risk or invest or know anything about complain that those who do make money at it and now they want some of it.
     
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    Really? And then charge you how much for loans and providing you your banking services?
     
  22. Bluesguy

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    You put your immediate emergency money say $500 in a bank savings account where you can get to it on a Sunday morning or holiday. You put the rest in money market account.
     
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    He likes the big refund.
    And now, the prez he voted for is in office, he expects a yuuuge more bigger refund.
     
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    So he uses it as his saving account which you say he can't afford to fund. Does he realize how stupid is his plan. He loses money doing that instead of putting it in a money market fund or even a bank savings account. Everyone should plan to owe a little more tax on April 15th, getting a big refund indicates lousy tax planning. I always just shake my head when people brag about the BIG refund they got.
     
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    The lack of knowledge about savings (compound interest mainly) in this thread is a bit staggering. It's no wonder so many Americans have trouble with finances, many seem to simply lack the will to learn about how money works.

    You have to find a balance between living your life and planning for the future. Sure go ahead and yell "YOLO!!" and have fun and use phrases like "tomorrow isn't guaranteed". True, however, planning your life around the fact that you might not be here tomorrow is simply irresponsible because more likely than not you will be here tomorrow, and the day after, and the year after. But you know what also isn't guaranteed tomorrow? Your job.

    This is what so many people don't understand. They have this mentality that old folks were born old or that they themselves will never reach that age or it's simply too far in the future to even think about right now. News flash kiddos, you will be 30 one day, and 40, and 50, and so on. And one day you are going to retire and wish more than anything that you could go back in time and slap the crap out of your younger self for putting you in your current situation.

    Right now is tax season and everybody is talking about their tax returns and what they are going to do with that money. VERY FEW people that I personally know have even mentioned the word "save", the majority of them are going to blow their tax money on something they have convinced themselves that they "deserve" through their year of hard work. So instead of putting that money in the bank, or even some of it, they will buy a new 70" 4K TV instead.

    Just make an allotment, 20 bucks, 10 bucks, 5 bucks, anything. Have the money taken out before it ever reaches your hands and you won't even miss it.

    It's mainly all about personal discipline. These are trends that parents need to be teaching their children at a young age so that it continues when they are off on their own. These are very simply principles that will help tremendously. Live slightly BELOW your means and save the rest for your future. You'll thank yourself later, I promise you.

    I can sort of sympathize with those who make very little money because I myself have been there and lived like that for many years. It's no excuse but I do understand. But when I see middle class folks in debt up to their eyeballs with no money to spare I simply sit back and wonder honestly what the hell are you doing? If you make $70,000 a year then simply live like you only make $60,000 a year and save the rest. It's really not that hard to do.

    But whatever, that's their problem not mine, go ahead and live la vida loca for all I care, I got mine.
     

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