85 People Have as Much Money as Half the World

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  1. Sadanie

    Sadanie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yep. . .we should all point the finger to those very few wealthy people who actually SHARE their wealth with the rest of the world! Forget about those who prefer to spend their money BUYING the government so they can accumulate even more wealth through lack of regulation that would HELP the rest of us!

    Hypocrisy is rampant. . .again!
     
  2. bwk

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    Is this what the right means when they say this Capitalism?
     
  3. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

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    I don't think I said that money is infinite, and you can just print up what you want. But that's a far cry from saying burning oil reduces wealth.
     
  4. bwk

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    She worked.
     
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    Whether you support or do not support IP laws is again irrelevant to this point. You seem to be having difficulty understanding even the most basic terms of the debate we are currently having. Even if you support IP law, that doesn't change the fact that it amounts to a government granted monopoly. That is unquestionably what it is. Whether you think that is justifiable or not is irrelevant to the crux of the argument being made.



    No it isn't logical. If I said government can only be large because of capitalism, then your point would follow logically. Since I didn't, what you said is nonsense!!

    PS. Should I now insult you back because I am super upset that you think I am like a freshman in college? I probably won't do that, because insults like that are the purview of those who have no argument to make. I made my argument. You didn't say anything of coherence to counter it. So I will wait for you to actually make an argument, instead of asking irrelevant questions and insulting me.
     
  6. RP12

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    The discussion was billionaires. Try to keep up.
     
  7. Sadanie

    Sadanie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Saying that IP laws are a government monopoly that keeps those 85 people rich beyond the dreams of avarice is a bit like saying government enforced property rights keep the rich rich.


    You said (once again), "Therefore government is large BECAUSE of capitalism."

    I gave you an example of a government that was so large as to be all encompassing, yet has no capitalism. If in government is large BECAUSE of capitalism, that pattern should be apparent in the world. In fact, the opposite seems to be the case. You would rather complain about my response than bolster your own argument.

    My comment about whether you are a freshman or sophomore wasn't meant to be an insult, but to represent the level of argument you are making. If you are a middle aged professor, then yes, you should be insulted.

    So which are you, freshman or sophomore?
     
  9. Logician0311

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    Ok, please provide the income you believe more accurately represents "middle class" and illustrate whether they spend less of that income than the "wealthy" (making them a better investment for economic stimulus) since that's the point that was being made.
     
  10. Serfin' USA

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  11. JooDee

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    JooDee suggests you listen. Then you may be able to get it.

    JooDee agrees. There are people who dislike people who are rich. However, to assume all people who complain about wealth inequality are envious and full of hate is gross generalisation. You need to think outside the box.

    Whilst you are having a comfortable life there are many people in the world who are in serious poverty. They have no jobs available for them. No access to food, water or shelter. There are people who are not as fortunate as you. Some people develop mental disorders. Others have mental or physical disabilities. Then there are groups of people who suffer as a result of external forces which is beyond their control. Not everyone is in poverty simple because they did not work "hard" enough. Life circumstances favours more than others.

    People must be naive to believe these people have acquired wealth by ethical means. They have control over the economic system which is hurting everyone. To summarise they are harming the environment, creating wars and bribing politicians. Money is power. When there is too much in the hands of a few you will get problems.

    It is not just that they have too much money. Money is simply a means exchange for goods and services. It is the control they have over economic resources. These resources must be distributed equally amongst all of us in order for everyone to get along.

    If a group of people acquired so much control over wealth and economic resources I guarantee some of them must have used immoral methods to achieve them to a certain extent.

    So the problem is how they achieved control over wealth and resources and the power that comes along with it.

    I can go on forever, but hopefully this will stimulate your mind and encourage you to do some research.

    Peace,
    JooDee,
    Grand Secretary of Bar Sing Say.
     
  12. RP12

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    See my other replies... Damn you post so angry!
     
  13. Str8Edge

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    Ok.... Can you give an example of how the rich "steal" from you?

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    No dopey progressives wanted to touch these simple questions...... NOT surprising coming from the morally bankrupt.
     
  14. squidward

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    raise "income" taxes on those making a few hundred grand. That'll fix it.
     
  15. Soupnazi

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    The fact is that none of these wealthy became uber rich by taking the wealth of others much less the poor.

    Day after tommorrow I get paid. I probably make as much in two weeks as Bill gates makes in an hour or something like that. Now how did he take anything from me or harm me.

    This is the one question that no progressive can answer. Progressives keep blaming the rich for " something " or Reagan for making them rich or bush or whoever.

    In the end I make a living I earn and so do all those billionares? How are they hurting anyone. And show some evidence with cause and effect not just association.

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    The fact is that none of these wealthy became uber rich by taking the wealth of others much less the poor.

    Day after tommorrow I get paid. I probably make as much in two weeks as Bill gates makes in an hour or something like that. Now how did he take anything from me or harm me.

    This is the one question that no progressive can answer. Progressives keep blaming the rich for " something " or Reagan for making them rich or bush or whoever.

    In the end I make a living I earn and so do all those billionares? How are they hurting anyone. And show some evidence with cause and effect not just association.
     
  16. Soupnazi

    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    You accuse without evidence.

    It is not naivity to claim they acquired their wealth ethically it is simply the same consideration we show to all.

    It does not matter how rich or poor someone is they should not be accused of something unethical without evidence and to do so IS evidence of envy and jealousy. It is true that such wealthy CAN bribe the government or influence it to start wars etc. but just because someone can do something does not mean that they have done it or are doing it. Rather than control them why not take away that which they might bribe or control namely most of the government. You have better odds competing with them without government regulation than you do controlling them with more government which simply gives them more force to bribe and influence.

    Show me some evidence that the billionares in the OP acquired their wealth unethically otherwise yes it is just envy.
     
  17. Taxcutter

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    Is the OP not an implicit call for government to DO SOMETHING?
     
  18. FreshAir

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    bill Gates was able to keep the work he created while working under IBM, had IBM of been as greedy and claimed ownership to everything their employees created like corps do today, bill gates would of been a nobody

    copyrights that last for ever, ect.. these are examples of greed....


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  19. JooDee

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    JooDee is calling for the wealth of these people to be investigated. What is wrong with that? The government on a regular basis collects all sorts of information from average citizens on a wide variety of issues. If these people have nothing to hide then everything is fine.

    Exactly so let's look into it. Nothing wrong with investigating.

    In the UK small businesses are investigated by HMRC to see if they are complying with taxation laws. There is no evidence that they are avoiding taxes. It is just to check if they are not do anything which is illegal/unethical.

    Peace,
    JooDee,
    Grand Secretary of Bar Sing Say.
     
  20. REPUBLICRAT

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    Good thing for those absurdly wealthy billionaire's most people are stupid enough to focus on emails and flags or paranoid and gullible enough to focus on virtually non-existent "gun grabbers" instead.
     

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