9/11: What really happened on that day? >>MOD WARNING<<

I corrected your post to reflect reality and accuracy. I thought you would have figured that out by now. Slow I guess.

 

Still trolling and avoiding debate I see. It seems you're not actually interested in debating with anyone. I understand, as you are clearly incapable of supporting your position and need to troll to save face. I've seen it a thousand times from amateur truthers.

Again, because Bob refuses to support his vapid case:

To recap, in post no 457 on page 46, I asked Bob to support the following claims:

Bob: "NIST's omissions/distortions are critical, far from "minor" and totally invalidate the results."

A simple enough statement, however my enquiry into supporting evidence for such a claim was met with the usual drivel.

In the same post:

Bob: "No one can duplicate any of NIST's findings/concoctions without NIST's complete and accurate data, it is absolutely impossible."

Again, a statement replete with unfounded and unsupported absolutes and my enquiries into supporting evidence were met with the usual lowbrow evasions. Moreover, it contradicts the earlier statement (I wonder if Bob understands why).

Two pages later, still nothing but vacuous bullsh*t from 9/11 truth. Some things never change.


Come on Bob, have the courage of your convictions. Or is trolling the limit of your intellect?

 

What do you call someone who repeatedly copies and pastes his own posts? That's right, a troll. And that's what YOU do.

 

you can very clearly see the failure of the corner column ...

 

It is MORE telling that neither you nor anybody else can provide any sort of proof to support YOUR position, the government position. That is part of the reason that there was talk among the 911 Commission members to charge some of the Pentagon 'witnesses' with perjury for their constant story-changing. The official story cannot be proved, EVEN WHEN the story is so frequently "edited". One cannot make a silk purse from a sow's ear. The story fails at every turn.

 

At that time, NORAD did not look within the bounds of the US but outside it's borders. ATC took care of the rest within the bounds of the US so the NORAD angle is a red herring. Since then and because of the poor communication and confusion during 9/11 some things have changed.

Up until that time hijackings were for ransom, not terror so was unexpected and a new beginning for everyone.

 

That's a good excuse they fed you for doing NOTHING to defend the US on 9/11. Many of us are not that gullible. I guess the WH also did not look at anything prior to 9/11 when they were warned numerous times.

9/11 family member and "Jersey Girl" Patty Casazza has just revealed that whistleblowers told her that -- before 9/11 -- the government knew the exact day, the type of attack, and the targets.

http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2007/11/911-family-member-patty-casazza.html

[video=youtube;rukxI_GLc3w]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rukxI_GLc3w[/video]

 

Speaking of gullible! Conspiracy theory over known fact. I worked for ATC at the time but I guess a conspiracy theorist with no clue would know better.

 

No, who you worked for doesn't change the fact that I'm just not that gullible, sorry. It's not a "conspiracy theory", it's a fact that I'm not gullible enough to buy what the US government wants to feed everyone. If you believe NORAD, the most sophisticated $multi-trillion defense system on the planet, whose primary function is to defend North America, has (or had) a massive blind spot called "North America", that's your issue, not mine. The fact is that the WH KNEW because they were told, not just once but numerous times. If you believe otherwise, that's also your issue, not mine. If you believe I'm gullible because I don't swallow US government pathological lying BS then you have your definitions quite mixed up.

 

Revise burden of proof. I have no responsibility here. YOU, nor Bob cannot prove your outrageous claims, therefore I can discount them as mere nonsense.

Non Sequitur, and a little lie as well. Mineta's testimony was shown to be specious, so that accusation is a lie. Read Farmer's 'The Ground Truth' for clarification as truther Chinese whispers have changed the story dramatically.

A wild and unsupportable claim. Ridiculous.

Although you keep trying.

Controlled demolition? Yeah, it's moronic.

 

And the inward bowing as the floors sag owing to the heat. Controlled demolition is just a fairy tale.

 

Mere empty headed noise. I copied and pasted because I'm bored with your blather. Simple. Now go away Bob, I'm not interested in your crap-it's beneath me.

 

Sorry you can't accept fact.

 

The facts are as I stated. You'd rather deal with government propaganda as your facts, that's ok with me. Like I said, I'm not that gullible, I've been hearing the pathological lies for several decades now and I'm sick and tired of listening to them and seeing others buy into the snake oil they're constantly peddling. A $multi-trillion intelligence/military/defense system second to none on the planet has the unmitigated gall to claim they got caught with their pants down on 9/11 by 19 Arabs with box cutters and one of the reasons is that North America was invisible on 9/11, another is that idiotic cow dung "no one could have imagined ..." or it was a "failure of imagination" and the ignorant and gullible swallowed it. And that's just a tiny tip of the iceberg. You're ok with that? You have the comfort of knowing there are tens of millions of other Americans (if you are one) who share your comfort. If this was for real in an authoritarian form of government, the majority of the military leadership would be publicly executed for gross incompetence, here they got promotions and even praises of heroism.

 

Butthurt much? Try writing posts in a civilized manner, maybe then you'll get a likewise response. Personally, I don't believe you're capable.

 

Personal incredulity still does not trump fact. You seem to have way to much faith in some alleged super human abilities of bureaucrats.

 

rewatched and noted that ... absolute proof of stress failure ... nice catch Blues ...

 

Yeah that must be it, the pathological lies are definitely not it.

 

I understand the entire story.

As a pilot, we turn on the transponder. This is on the instrument panel. What happens is the FAA sends up a signal and when we encounter the signal, our transponder greatly amplifies the signal back to the ground. Imagine you have a flashlight and shine it upwards. The aircraft takes the signal and sends it back as a very large signal. They have a good reason for doing it this way.

The pilots that flew the doomed airplanes had learned to fly and had pilot's licenses. It may seem hard, but if the pilot was trained, he can figure out any airliner enough to fly it to aim it. He has been trained how to read the aircraft manual too. Anyway, when they turned off the transponder, suddenly rather than the strong ID signal beamed to FAA, no signal was returned. all FAA had to work with was a very faint signal.

FAA has a very good system that lets them use the transponder signal normally seen and predict where the airliner will be for some period of time into the future. As faint as the signal was, it blended in with other airplanes that also were not using the transponder.

Anyway, as the above poster says, NORAD only worked over the ocean. NORAD was not in contact with FAA.

Military aircraft transmit and receive on military frequencies.

Said pilots intended to die. They were not about to be talked out of the flights. It took the passengers of the PA flight to cause it to crash.

Anyway, as to the fires. The speed of the two airliners was so great that the flames shot outside the building and the flaming fuel set other buildings on fire. The designs of those buildings had a fatal flaw. But for the flaw, they still would be standing.

But there was no conspiracy. And yes, the airliner did crash inside the Pentagon. Bodies and airplane parts were located in the structure. And no, Building #7 was not brought down by planted explosives.

Such secrets can't be kept. Were that true, all sorts of people would be talking about the explosions they heard. Also how is it possible for a bomb to go off when the airplanes crashed?

 

See post 494 to understand NORAD and the FAA

 

And I am a pilot and back up your claims. The folks just don't understand the traffic control system in place on 9/11.

Jets that were scrambled were to meet well out into the ocean at a arranged point. This put them at sea rather than inside our borders. As fast as the airliners were traveling, trying to intercept them simply was not possible.

Today, things are different.

 

The White house were not told by any agency that on 9/11 airplanes would fly to buildings to destroy them. That myth comes from the PDB given to Bush but I have it right now. It does not tell Bush that he had to do something or the boys at the Feds could not stop mad bombers.

Given what the FBI knew and the CIA knew how can Bush be blamed yet those agencies are not blamed?

 

Thanks, it's a good thing YOU understand NORAD and the FAA.

 

Yeah I'm sure it doesn't say that. Thanks anyway.

Who's not blaming who? I believe US government = All 3 branches, its agencies, contractors and other complicit entities. Who's supposed to get a pass here for 9/11?

 

When we pilots use airspace. we can ask FAA for flight following. We will have the transponder turned on which allows them to track us. If we fly over a military area, provided it is not off limits, we call them to tell them we will be in their area. I also studied this event since it happened.

Just the radar signal is really not very strong. That is why we have the transponder to amplify the signal. I have been into several towers to view their operations and also an ATC center where I was shown what they do there.