Not as far as those facts are concerned and there is even more, much more. It is what it is, all of those facts are the responsibility of the US government. They are inescapably true. Only if you take away the US government, all the people who were murdered on 9/11 and those who died later because of government policies, their loved ones and the hundreds of thousands of innocent people whose lives were destroyed or otherwise adversely affected as a result of 9/11 and the ensuing destruction of civil liberties under pretext of 9/11. Then maybe what you have left is a physics problem. The government is very relevant since it's the US government making official claims about things they say happened. They have not retracted one single claim proven false to date. Perhaps because on the anti side, 9/11 was the government's responsibility and on the pro side because the cognitive dissonant want to defend the US government? True but that only goes so far. People need experts in order to help them figure out things they can't figure out for themselves. That's 100% correct but people do give a damn (at least those who actually do), they are not inanimate and devoid of emotions.
Maybe the people who can't figure out that skyscrapers must be bottom heavy and that the designers had to figure out the proper distribution of steel are not smart enough to qualify as human. psik
Here is that hi resolution image of the concrete core baseball that shows a tiny utility hallway running through it. Left of the top of the right excavator boom is where the rectangular hole in the concrete baseball is backlit.
That's not relevant to 9/11, it's not about who can figure out what and how you want to characterize people. The facts about 9/11 are what's relevant though. Those are not anyone's personal opinion.
It is a fact that obviously important facts are missing. There is a problem with people who can't determine what some important facts must be. Skyscrapers are not some new phenomenon. The Center of Gravity of the CN Tower is on the Internet. https://prezi.com/6mrmrokxjxsb/the-cn-tower/ http://toronto.about.com/od/eventsattractions/f/how-tall-is-the-cn-tower.htm So a structure taller than the Twin Towers has a Center of Gravity less than 70 metres above ground. The CN Tower is not a building and since it gets narrower toward the top it has less of a wind problem than the WTC. But try finding center of gravity or mass distribution data on other tall buildings or structures around the world. Physics is irrelevant to whoever does not understand it. This was pathetically hysterical when I first saw it twenty-some years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0wk4qG2mIg Education is what!?!? These people have to deal with Climate Change? psik
That's correct and facts are relative, there are some that are key and some that are not. This thread reminded me of an article I read a few years by Jon Gold, 9/11 researcher who claims to have coined the term "9/11 truth". It's called "The Facts Speak For Themselves". The author of this thread wants to know "Are there any facts" (as if he has no idea). Well in addition to the ones I listed, this article lists 50 facts about 9/11. http://911truthnews.com/the-facts-speak-for-themselves/ But the above are far from the only facts about 9/11. Here are many more facts that contradict the OCT: http://www.consensus911.org/the-911-consensus-points/ And that's still not all of it. But thanks for asking Shiner. All that "dodging" eh?
Yeah, I communicated with Gold years ago. He is a "Government is more important than Physics" person. Until you start dealing with the Einsteinian stuff physics is not very Relative. There is no mass from 9/11 approaching 1% of light speed. psik
But how do you tell whether or not airliners could bring down the towers to know where to start looking for who? I see you made no comment about the center of gravity in tall structures. psik
Physics or if not inclined, credible expert analysis (credibility is critical, the US government has none) and/or common sense. You need to start by doing the research if you don't know or you're not sure and your own common sense isn't working for you. It's not relevant to me personally, it doesn't change what happened on 9/11 or the fact that the OCT is false. I understand you strictly want to discuss the physics but for me not only is the physics self-evident but my focus is on the official story and the story tellers. Physics is only a tool that can be used to help expose the OCT as false, it's far for the only thing and certainly not the end-all to 9/11. I'll yield to credible experts when it comes to the intricacies of physics, it's not my expertise.
You are now "certain"? Please post a link to a manufacturer/distributor that references 3" or 6" (LOL!!!!) diameter rebar! There are none! You keep making this crap up in hopes that nobody researches your claims. You try and make it seem like you know what you're talking about in the hopes that people take your word for it. Not going to happen.
The rebar was made in a DOD munitions plant. No high tensile steel rebar is available commercially. The complete lack of photographs from 9/11 that show a supposed steel framed core establishes that there was a concrete core for any who are too dense or corrupt to realize or admit this is the concrete core.
No 3" or 6" diameter rebar listed here. Nominal size, #18 at 2.257" diameter: http://www.harrissupplysolutions.com/steel-rebar-sizes-stock.html None here: http://www.upstatesteel.com/products/ReBar.pdf Nope: http://tuckerkirby.com/images/files/rebar.pdf Hmmm. Not here either: http://www.reinforcing-bar.com/technology/reinforcing-bar-sizes.html Let me guess Chris. It was special made and that's what your non-existent documentary told you? That's why nobody can find any reference to 3" or 6" diameter rebar? - - - Updated - - - Boy did I call that one! And where is your proof of this Chris? You have none.
You mean like this one? That shows two box columns? One supposedly outside your concrete core wall (right side) and one inside your fake concrete core (left side, the one with the red arrows over it)? You want people to believe that was elevator GUIDE RAIL SUPPORT steel?!
By its title, this thread acknowledges there are 9/11 theories, it asks about 9/11 facts. The "concrete core" issue is theoretical, not factual. Please stick to the topic of this thread and list some 9/11 facts if you have any, otherwise you're in the wrong thread, thanks. The author of the thread doesn't seem to know a 9/11 fact from a dodge, but I think most people know the difference. I believe so far I've listed well over 100 9/11 facts from various websites and some of my own general factual claims. Here are some more facts, eyewitness corroborating claims (note that it is a fact that these eyewitnesses made certain corroborating claims about 9/11, whether the claims are true or not is another story). Claims of explosions: [video=youtube;tH1Xdcssw4A]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH1Xdcssw4A[/video] Claims of molten steel: [video=youtube;nqJSDn5dgJc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqJSDn5dgJc[/video]
yes I do indeed.thank you for pointing that mistake I made with that link. my bad. Here is the CORRECT link i meant to post.NOBODY, no paid shill on any forum here or any other site,or any government entity such as NIST,has been able to debunk this book here by david ray griffin.He has even challenged congress to debate him in open public,they wont do it because they know they will lose. here is the CORRECT LINK https://www.amazon.com/Debunking-11-Mechanics-Defenders-Conspiracy/dp/156656686X I love it when these clowns who defend the conspiracy THEORY of the governments that 19 muslins and bin laden were behind the attacks despite the evidence,that they use this book as the gosple truth that 9/11 happened the way the 9/11 coverup commission claimed it did. cracks me up because contrary to the lies of that book,the people that were selected to investigate it for popular mechanics were not independent investigaters at all,they were all connected to having government contracts on the governments payroll.popular mechanics was 'FUNDED BY THE GOVERNMENT" so it was hardly an independent investigation as these stupid clowns of the OCTA try to convince us it was.
you took the defenders of the official conspiracy theory that fires brought down the towers to school there. - - - Updated - - - By its title, this thread acknowledges there are 9/11 theories, it asks about 9/11 facts. The "concrete core" issue is theoretical, not factual. Please stick to the topic of this thread and list some 9/11 facts if you have any, otherwise you're in the wrong thread, thanks. yes I agree.please honor his request thanks.
There's a summarized version of Popular Mechanics' collaboration with NIST that starts here (see from Part 2): http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=458597&page=3&p=1066272003#post1066272003
Thanks but that wasn't my intent. I was just posting 9/11 facts. At the end of the day it's always up to the individual to determine for him/herself how to interpret those facts.
All of the steel was custom made for the Twins. The image speaks for itself with the concrete core because it provides over all explanation.
ALL of it Chris? Every single piece? What a bunch of crap! You seem to make stuff up just to support your fantasy claims in hopes . You have not one shred of proof about 3" or 6" diameter rebar. Those pieces you labeled as rebar in your photo are probably pipes that ran through that open area between the elevators. Not a chance. What you claim as "concrete walls" in your blurry photos is nothing more than still shots of gypsum dust coming off the columns where they were attached or a hole where gypsum planking came undone. Funny how you always seem to resort to the supposed documentary you saw, but can provide not one shred of proof it existed because it was supposedly removed by the powers that be. How convenient for your story. As has been proven, using your own dimension, you core is physically impossible. Your claim that the plans were faked has been proven to be another lie. How can this photo... ...structurally match this partial plan view... ..if the plans were faked?!
You also never addressed this Chris. You claim that all columns inside your supposed concrete core was elevator guide rail support steel. Tell us Chris. In this photo below, are you suggesting that the purpose of the huge BOX COLUMN on the left , the one with two red arrows on it, which was supposedly inside your concrete core, was to support the elevator guide rail steel?
What about this Chris? You say the hole is a utility hallway through your thick concrete core wall. There's a major problem. Here is a photo taken from the opposite side of that. Where is the huge concrete core wall on this side with the hallway running through? Why is it not there Chris? I'll tell you why. That area between those two columns was where the express elevator shafts were. Which were surrounded by gypsum planking, which pieces of can still be seen as attached (inside the red rectangle). Funny how the size of that gypsum planking in my photo is about the sane size as your self proclaimed "utility hallway" hole in your photo. Let me guess. They embedded gypsum planking inside your fantasy concrete core wall?
