A challenge to members of the Party of Trump, formerly known as the GOP

I gave you the definition. Don't like it? Tough. All that you're doing is proving my point even more. Especially when you have to resort to ad homs to try and make your "point".

 

Don't like women having the right to an abortion? Tough, it's legal That's all I care about....so call it what you want, it doesn't matter

 

Looks like another denial thread. There's a problem at the border and if you chose to DENY it, thats on YOU. Don't come crying here when an illegal MS-13 member hurts one of your loved ones. YOU VOTED FOR IT!

 

I remember it. This was, for me, the most irritating moment of the Primaries. Being extremely against illegal immigration, and very much for the solvency of the American healthcare system, this moment made me not inclined to vote for the Dem candidate for several months. It took Trump's putrid handling of the Covid-19 crisis to turn me against him for good. Anyway, in matters of healthcare, I took the lesser of two evils, but I'm not happy with the Dems, on this.

The idea of free healthcare for illegal aliens appeals to the ultra-liberal types who don't think of unintended consequences. They say, "if an illegal alien Mr. José Ramirez is given a prescription for asthma by virtue of being able to see a doctor in a primary care office which costs the taxpayer $200, instead of getting the asthma to get so bad that he'll crash in an ER and spend $2,000 of taxpayer money for the same fix, we save $1,800." Yeah, sure. But...

Bernie Sanders' platform on this was a joke. He postulated that any woman arriving at the border and claiming domestic abuse would be immediately admitted while her claim was being investigated (which would take months) and in the meantime she would be given full medical coverage under Medicare For All.

Here is what would happen: Mrs. Maria Gonzales, whose loving husband never hurt her in any way, gets diagnosed with breast cancer in Honduras. She can't get the needed care, there. With the blessing of her loving husband, Mrs. Gonzales shows up at the US border and claims domestic abuse (a lie), and gets admitted as a refugee. As soon as she gets processed, she is issued her M4A card. Then, oops, she says, "see, I have this breast cancer. I need treatment or I'll die."

OK, next she spends US$ 400,000 in a mastectomy and chemotherapy. She recovers, then relinquishes her refugee claim and goes back to her loving husband in Honduras.

All right, so now the American taxpayer saved $1,800 with Mr. José Ramirez... but spent $400,000 with Mrs. Maria Gonzales.

Once Mrs. Maria Gonzales returns to her village and tells her success story, the next week 5 women present to the border with the same claim. A week later, it's 50. Then 500. Then 5,000. We become the Mecca for free treatment of breast cancer for all the peoples on the planet.

Mr. Alexandru Ionescu from Moldova, has advanced COPD. He needs a lung transplant. His country, the poorest in Eastern Europe, can't provide it. No worries. He manages to get to the American Embassy in Romania and claims that he is being prosecuted in Moldova for not being ethnically Russian, claims that he's a political refugee. He is brought in to the US and issued his M4A card. Then he says, oops, I happen to need a lung transplant. No worries. The transplant is provided to him, with a price tag of $800,000 dollars. I mean, who cares, right? We American taxpayers have deep pockets. When his story gets known, 100 people in need of a lung transplant show up at the border.

Medical tourism for pseudo-refugees becomes the norm. Americans can't compete for the same spots as hospitals are clogged with foreigners seeking treatment. Waiting lists are started. Medicare goes broke. The whole system collapses.

So, ER care in America is 10% of all medical expenses. Scheduled care is 90%. So in order to save 10% we'll be spending 90%. Great!

And the above at least aren't illegal; they are under the legal status of refugees (although they are lying about it). What about the MILLIONS who are already illegally here? Now they'll have access to all sorts of scheduled, non-emergency procedures and care??? On our dime???

Who are the idiots who thought of this ridiculous plan???

There is a reason why NO developed nation in the world provides free healthcare to illegal aliens, beyond the compassionate life-saving patching-up if someone is about to die. Once the person is stabilized, the person is kicked out. Why? Exactly because they can't afford to become a Mecca for medical tourism. Their care is for their citizens.

Only in the United States, all major candidates from a party raise their hands when asked about this boneheaded idea. Unbelievable! The one in this picture with his hand highest, of course, is that moron, Senator Bernie Sanders! The one who, if elected, would have destroyed Medicare.

 

And it comes full circle. Once again a liberal makes an assumption based on very little info. Psst...guess what....I'm Pro-Choice. I'm also an actual Independent that has never been a part of any party and sees the arguments from both sides. I'm not blinded by partisanship. It doesn't matter what I call it. Or what you call it. Words have definitions and as a society we go by those definitions. Trying to redefine a word simply because of partisan politics will not get you anywhere good. As evidenced by the fact that you have not done anything but dig your hole deeper and deeper through out our entire conversation.

 

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Tell that to those who call every stage of human life " baby" (obviously even sperm since that one day could actually be a baby).....it hasn't got them anywhere thank goodness...

Yes, words have definitions and changing them to suit one's propaganda is dishonest.
And wallowing in ignorance and emotion( by using unscientific terms) is so weak and sure doesn't win any arguments..

I think I'll call fetuses teenagers....why not....we're free to label anything anyway we want without that silly "science stuff" ruling our lives...right??

 

The vast majority of the human species (wait...you want people to use scientific terms or you consider them ignorant (at best I'd imagine) so....) "homo sapiens" does not use scientific terms for every little thing. For example do you say "aspirin"? Or acetylsalicylic acid? How about "flower" or "angiosperm"? How about "burp" or "eructation"? I'm sure you can tell which ones are the scientific terms and which ones aren't. Even when making laws humans do not use scientific terms unless it is absolutely necessary or they simply don't know what other simplified term to use. Example: Our laws are going to use the term "rape" vs "Biastophilia" when referring to rapists.

Face it, the only reason that the left uses the scientific terms for ZEF's is because they want to use terms that don't humanize the baby as that would make people more sympathetic and less likely to support abortion.

So, if I went through your posts how many do you think I would come across that doesn't use scientific terms where available? Bet I could find a few just in this thread alone...

 

LOL, so using science and facts is playing on emotions !!???? WHAT!!!!


Since when the F is a human ZEF NOT human...calling a human ZEF a ZEF is dehumanizing it !!!
So calling a teenager a teenager is dehumanizing them ???? WHAT!!!

Only in the minds of flat earthers..

Have you got the wrong end of the stick....using terms like baby to describe a fetus is the rightie's way to make people more sympathetic and less likely to support abortion and women's RIGHTS....

 

Actually, it's a thread challenging POTer's to refute the facts of what is really happening and why. A thread meant to prevent posts like your's by informing you. I see it didn't work.

 

Some how I doubt that you go through life asking women "Is your ZEF going to be a boy or a girl?" And yeah, sure, those on the right continue to use the term "baby" because they know it elicits sympathy. But they also use it because its been used for centuries in place of "ZEF". Which is why the definition of "baby" includes "b. An unborn child; a fetus." Indeed the term "baby" was used LOOOONG before the scientific terms of "zygote", "embryo", and "fetus".

Also you seem to have forgotten that a zygote and even embryo is often referred to as just a clump of cells no different than cancer cells by leftists. They also use the argument that a ZEF is not truly alive in the sense that a born human is, "they have no consciousness". So yes, its about dehumanizing. As much as possible.

 

I didn't bother with the link in the OP. If you want me to answer the questions then feel free to post the questions here. Its not that hard to copy/paste simple questions. No ones asking you to post the answers Vox gives.

Also...wth is "POTer's"? I don't smoke pot if that is what you're referring to. I do use pots when I cook though?

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
LOL, so using science and facts is playing on emotions !!???? WHAT!!!!


Since when the F is a human ZEF NOT human...calling a human ZEF a ZEF is dehumanizing it !!!
So calling a teenager a teenager is dehumanizing them ???? WHAT!!!

Only in the minds of flat earthers..

Have you got the wrong end of the stick....using terms like baby to describe a fetus is the rightie's way to make people more sympathetic and less likely to support abortion and women's RIGHTS....

Well, ya, the term ZEF wasn't used BEFORE people knew it was a ZEF....once they thought the earth was flat, too.
Uh, there was progress along those lines for those unafraid of science.

It is a clump of cells. Those darn "leftists", using facts and all that other confusin' stuff …..LOL

Haven't seen that yet....did you make it up?
A living human ZEF is alive and human..

Describing the stages of human growth is about dehumanizing ?!!!!!!!!!!! Do you read what you write?

 

Admitting that your parties policies create a humanitarian crisis is a good start.

Those with a genuine concern for these people would donate money to help them where they live. The same dollar goes much farther there and does a lot more good than having these people give their live savings to cartel members for a chance of getting into the US.

Does strengthening cartels with steady cash flow make life better for those south of our border?
Do you know why parents give their young daughters birth control to take on their journey?

 

If it takes 9 miles of bull to explain it, it is 9 miles of bull. Biden created the crisis ,,, Biden signaled that all the cartels had to do was grab a little girl and they will be paid and have their own personal rape victim. On their way they will be able to traffic drugs and kill a bunch of Americans. With the border open, Obama's final gift to Iran will be delivered. Hezbollah, the terrorists that Obama let go free will be able to blow open their opioid supply chain.

Biden should be charged with human and drug trafficking, human rights violations and murder.

 

So..........the opposite of this?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...tries-as-migrant-crisis-deepens-idUSKCN1RC013

 

Those with a genuine concern are not waiting for our government to send money to their corrupt government. The same money does a lot more good when donated to a responsible charity.