A Conservatives Honest Appraisal

Romney has made many mistakes in this campaign, and he left has done a very credible personality assassination of him.

The media is being given so much left wing ammunition (and I mean the good hot stinking kind), how can you call them partisan to use it. I remember when the Republicans had the good stuff during Clintons years and the media was all over it. Every fishy business deal and every skirt he every lifted was on the news constantly. It is tit for tat.

The middle east is being covered but they are not blaming Obama every five minutes for every problem. Maybe that makes it seem skewed to to the left to some people but not most. The middle east has been a mess for a long time, and we did have a pretty horrible encounter with them on 9/11 during a Republican term.

The Economy is still seen as a Republican problem by many. Why do you think Bush is staying so far removed from this election?

And so on....

But all this crap was not really the point of your thread was it?

 

Fair enough...and I agree with you that none of this was the point of my thread, my intent was to get away from the standard talking point fair. To briefly address these points though...

While Romney is NOT the perfect candidate, he also isnt that bad. Everyone makes mistakes, INCLUDING Obama. The difference here is that the media in their zeal to push their agenda, is falling all over themselves to point out Romneys mistakes, and are shockingly and shamelessly absent when it comes time to evaluate Obamas mistakes. Noteworthy examples are the coverage and cover up of Fast and Furious, and back page coverage of widespread unrest throughout the Middle east that is largely directed at the Unites States. These are two VERY consequentialissues, and they both rise to the level of front page stories that remain for weeks and months, and they have barely warranted a page 4, 3 paragraph mention, with no follow up to see what the admintistration has done, will do, what they knew and when they knew it etc. At the same time, with the real issue still hanging out there, they spent 5 days of front page coverage for the timing of Romney coming out with his criticism. Being a leftist, you may not be as hypoer aware of this discrepancy, but to a conservative it is as plain and obvious as can possibly be.

In regards to the economy. Its not a Republican problem. Yes it existed before Obama camer into office. No he has not performed as well as projected in getting us out of the mess that he inherited. To point to a poll that says Americans think the crash was bushs fault, does NOT mean they dont think Obama has done a lousy job of sheparding the country through rough economic times.

 

This really is very simple.The American People are monthly,weekly,daily and hourly being
played for stooges and directly lied to by the Jokers in the White House and filtering out
to a State-Run Mainstream media.That's it.
The American Electorate is not getting ANY truth,save what little Fox can exude
and most importantly Talk Radio.We are in a Banana Republic for all intent and purpose.
Where outright bribing,graft and corrupt croynism is a matter of course.

 

The Media covered the Clinton scandals when they were forced to. The Lewensky scandal was spiked by Newsweek and may never have seen the light of day if it hadn't been leaked to Drudge. That forced all of the news outlets to cover it, but we would never had heard of Monica Lewensky if the MSM had their way.

 

I like your idea of a debate once a month (or at least once a quarter) between the sitting President and the opposition party. But not for the reason you are promoting: I believe that if such debates had taken place, it would have given an opportunity to President Obama to demonstrate the constant refusal of the GOP to compromise, it would have shed light on a great number of misleading and even totally erroneous propaganda spread by the GOP and the Righ wing media, and it would have put President Obama in extremely favorable position as a leader versus Boenher etc. . .

Yep. . .I like that idea!

 

I see it exactly the opposite way you do!
I believe Fox News, Limbaugh, and other ridiculous talking heads are brainwashing a LOT Of people who would have to face reality if they were exposed once a month to a real debate between the President and one of the leaders of the GOP.

 

Like this?

[video=youtube;zPxMZ1WdINs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPxMZ1WdINs&feature=player_embedded[/video]

 

I really wish I could have heard the responses to this from the President? Do you happen to have a link to that portion? I find it more then a little disturbing that this is presented as a complete argument. It's a speech and it's only one side's point of view. What did they say back?

 

I watched it live, and I don't recall the President making a response, however the full summit video should be online somewhere. If the President did have a response that I forgot about, I'd be curious as to what it was. However any bright intelligent liberal should be able to rebut that without running to talking points. If you have an argument, make it.

 

I'm new here. I'm also trying to learn politics beyond rhetoric and newspaper opinion pieces. I certainly want more then just random posts by unknown people. I'm willing to listen and try to formulate an understanding based on any and all sides of the coin..in this specific instance I wasn't (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)ing anyone out or slinging mud, I was simply asking for the actual words of rebuttal from the POTUS and his team. Perfectly reasonable request since all of this was directly pointed at him. If he didn't respond I'm surprised..but in any event, I'm not trying to make a counter-argument. I want to hear all sides and make what I consider a fair judgment. Fair enough?

 

In that case, I don't recall there being a counter argument from the President. I'm sure there must have been some talking points but at the time that occurred, I was arguing with someone who was very clear that they didn't care about any of the money aspects of Obamacare. Cost simply wasn't an issue with her, so if she had talking points or a counter argument to Ryan's lecture to the President, she never mentioned them,