Back in May, Fallen made a thread called My theory of what dark matter and dark energy is Interesting theory, but I think I've got an even more mind-blowing one. Dark energy is sometimes thought of as the "cost of having space". It is the amount of energy in a vacuum, and it is found uniformly throughout space. Well, what if it is actually that energy that makes up the strings in string theory? So Dark Energy=the fabric of space. This alone is fairly standard stuff, but what if Dark Matter was... A) The residue of matter/antimatter annihilation. The Big Bang produced nearly equal amounts of matter and antimatter, so most of it turned back into energy via annihilation. But what if Dark Matter remained as a sort of "radioactive" material that decays over time into the most basic form of energy... B) Dark Matter decays into Dark Energy. i.e. Dark Matter is like a "clump" of space- a box of string from which the fabric of the universe is pulled. The universe pays the cost of having more space (i.e. inflation) through this decay. If this is the case, there are huge implications, and one in particular excites me. The observed universal expansion, which has increased over time, has seemed to be the death knell for Big Bounce theory. That REALLY sucks, because Big Bounce was the most straightforward way to reconcile the Big Bang with conservation laws. Everything just recycles. BUT, if inflation is "paid for" through the decay of Dark Matter, eventually the box will run out of string. The universe will stop expanding, and gravity can finally take over. This hypothesis (my own, and I'm not aware of anyone else who has put this forward) could resurrect Big Bounce while explaining the nature and origin of Dark Matter. Any thoughts on the pros and cons of this idea?
OK.....I am going to try to explain this in the simplest way I can without using Polymorphic Quadratic Algebraic Equations and without the New Form Calculus and Parabolic Calculus as very few people understand such things anyways......ok.... First thing you need to understand is all Matter is completely comprised of Quantum Particle/Wave Forms of ENERGY. This men that Matter and Energy are the same thing and interchangeable it's just that we have neither developed or even understand yet what is known as the UFT...or Unified Field Theory because if we did have this and if we understood it we could just generate energy and then arrange it into matter in any form or type just like on Star Trek the Next Generation where they just ask the computer for a cup of hot tea and the food replicator uses energy generated by the ship and arranges those Quantum Particle/Wave Forms into 2 Up and 1 Down Quark plus the binding Gluons into a Proton and 1 Up Quark and 2 Down Quarks plus the Gluons into a Neutron and then add the electrons in orbital fields and arrange the number of Protons and Neutrons which are known as Hadrons and then we have Atoms and Molecules...etc....and then these are arranged into a Matrix and eventually a cup of hot tea materializes in the Food Replicator. Being able to do this means you can make any amount of Gold or Silver or any Element you want in any amount you want as long as you have the energy...ie....Quantum Particle/Wave Forms which are Quarks, Gluons, Bosons, Electrons, Photons...etc....as long as you can generate energy and you have a working UFT you can make any kind of matter you want. HERE IS THE THING....you stated....and I will just take some of what you posted...."Dark energy is sometimes thought of as the "cost of having space". It is the amount of energy in a vacuum, and it is found uniformly throughout space."...end quote. No.....no it is not and here is why..... ENERGY is as I stated Quantum Particle/Wave Forms and I listed some of them for you such as Quarks, Gluons, Bosons, Electrons, Photons...etc....and most of these Quanta actually have a Micro-Mass. Photons are MASSLESS.....however Electrons and Bosons and etc....ARE NOT. Gravity is the Warping of Space-Time Geometry and Dimensionality due to the existence of anything that has MASS. And MASS is given to Hadrons....ie....Protons, Neutrons and Pions......by the HIGGS FIELD which is an effect created by the Quantum Particle/Wave Form known as the Higgs Boson. Anyways if you have say a Cubic Mile of Space-Time and there is absolutely no Quantum Particle/Wave Forms within it......THEN THERE IS NO ENERGY WITHIN IT AT ALL. Now this doesn't happen because there are Photons traveling at frequency and in Wave Packets throughout the Universe not to mention all sorts of Cosmic Radiation.....BUT......no Quanta in that volume......NO ENERGY. Now Dark Matter is doing basically the exact same thing Regular Matter is doing but it is UNDETECTABLE. Dark Matter is intertwined with everything and anything and in fact if there was no Dark Matter the stars along the outer rims of Spiral Galaxies like our own Milky Way would be thrown off into deep intergalactic space because there is NOT enough mass thus NOT enough regular gravitic effect to keep them orbiting like they do and they keep orbiting the Supermassive Galactic Center Black Hole known as Sagittarius A* because of Dark Matter. THEN.....we have Dark Energy which is causing NOT THE GALAXIES TO SPEED AWAY FROM EACH OTHER BUT RATHER.......Dark Energy is GENERATING ADDITIONAL SPACE-TIME IN-BETWEEN GALAXIES!!!! So Dark Energy is not energy at all but rather some sort of Universal Space-Time expansion which locates itself between celestial bodies and particles of mass. Just to let you know I applaud you for using your mind as most people on this forum do not as they are more interested in bashing Liberals or Conservatives!! LOL!! But I do have to be honest here and this theory is simply a no starter. But hey.....nice try though Dude!!! AA
I appreciate you taking the time to comment. However, the first thing you disagreed with (and the foundation of the idea) was the thing that I had the least doubt about. But I had read that... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_energy Is wiki wrong, or did I misstate it?
Yeah....they are wrong. Fundamental Energy is comprised of Quantum Particle/Wave Forms or it is Potential Kinetic Energy which also covers Vibratory Conditions of Matter and Particles. Since Dark Energy really isn't energy at all as there is no Quanta and there is no Kinetic or Vibratory state....it is NOT ENERGY. We just call it Dark Energy because in reality we have absolutely no idea what it is. AA
My own understanding is perhaps the kindergarten explanation of what AA stated above. If all of the stars and the galaxies were arranged on the surface of a balloon and we inflated it then they would move apart in much the way we are currently observing. If we were to assume that dark matter/energy was just the two states of photons, namely a photon that is energized is visible as light and without that energy it is dark matter instead. If the entire inside of the balloon is filled with these dark energy photons and the radiation from the stars energizes the photons thus making them visible that also creates pressure. It is this energized photon pressure from more and more stars that is forcing the universe to expand. Yes, I know this is a very simplistic explanation but it sheds a little perspective on the question posed by the OP, albeit in a naive manner.
Dark Energy or rather the expansion of Universal Space-Time between celestial bodies and particles of mass as Dark Energy really is a POOR NAME given to what is actually happening.....is most likely the result of overlapping BRANES or MEMBRANES as per Brane Theory and Models. As Quantum Mechanics shows us we are very much living in just one Universal Reality among an Infinite in number Alternate Divergent Universal Sates of Reality and EVEN THAT....is too limited as that just described the MANY WORLDS MODEL AND THEORY when in fact I developed at MIT the MULTIVERSAL THEORY AND MODEL which has an infinite number of MANY WORLDS MODELS being a part of the Infinite System that is the MULTIVERSAL MODEL. AA
OK, I can't say that I fully understand what you are saying, but I will accept your word for it that dark energy is not what I thought it was, and wiki is wrong. So let's strike the term "dark energy" from the discussion, and I will instead ask the underlying question about that which I thought dark energy was. Specifically this: if the space/time continuum is expanding (inflation), and a volume of space has a fundamental energy intrinsic to it, then an increase in the volume of space would mean that energy would have to fill that space. So where does this energy come from? And is it inexhaustible?
OK...sorry I got caught up on other things but I will answer. First of all Space-Time cannot exist without Matter and Energy as the origin of our Universal reality was generated from another collapsed Alternate Divergent Universal reality so before I can explain this and before you can even understand it is you have to know and understand exactly WHAT our Universe is...how it was formed and why it was formed. As you know our Universe was generated from a massive ejection of Quantum Particle/Wave Forms at a point of singularity ejection known as a WHITE HOLE. Now every WHITE HOLE i connected to a BLACK HOLE and vice versa but there is only one way travel though a wormhole and in this case in another Alternate Divergent Universal reality a Universe was also formed but it's White Hole Ejection Point or BIG BANG....existed outside the membranes or Branes of other Divergent Universal states of reality that had basically already existed and were surrounding this particular area outside the Tub bubble collective that is Brane Theory of M-Theory. Just like the multitudes of bubbles created from bubble bath being put into a tub this relatively describes the indescribable dimensionality of a single Baseline Reality Universal grouping or Many Worlds Model of just ONE ASPECT of the Multiversal model. Anyways the point of White Hole Singularity Ejection or Big bang in one Universe was constrained from being able to expand like our Universe was able to and because of it's inability to expand it's own mass caused it to collapse via Gravity and Dark matter and this was a UNIVERSAL COLLAPSE. When this happened it created what is called an ULTRA-MASSIVE BLACK HOLE.....in which all matter and energy in that Universe that could not expand was sucked into and at a threshold point the mas was so great that it ripped through that Space-Time Dimensionality to such a degree it formed a massive wormhole from that Ultra-Massive Black Hole in the collapsed Universe to generate a WHITE HOLE outside the Bubble or Membrane matrix and thu a NEW WHITE HOLE or BIG BANG existed and all the matter and energy from the other Universe was ripped down to it's base Quanta and sent through the wormhole and thus ejected out of the White Hole to expand outward and begin to form a new Universe. With me so far because this is complex? AA
Now this is what happened that generated our White Hole o BIG BANG....and there was NO SPACE-TIME at first just a single point or singularity and as super excited or SUPER HOT QUANTA was ejected out from that White Hole the began generating SPACE-TIME. Now the Space-Time ONLY EXISTS because of the Quantum Particle/Wave Forms that were ejected out from a single point and as this quanta moved outwards away from that singularity ejection point more Space-Time was created....and after time passed the Quanta cooled and we had the very first Atom or in fact Molecular Element in H2 Gas as a Plasma or hydrogen gas. As this H2 continued to move out and away from it's point of origin and as it cooled it began to gather via Gravity and Dark matter effect and this generated large groupings or collections of of H2 which via Gravity and large enough quantities of mass began the FIRST STELLAR FACTORIES where STARS WERE BORN!! The first stars generated all elements from Hydrogen to helium and then all the way up to Iron. These stars were SUPERMASSIVE due to the small area of the Universe at that time H2 collected in MASSIVE AMOUNTS and due to gravitic and dark matter effect this collections of H2 and Gravitic Compression IGNITED THE FIRST SUPERMASSIVE STARS!! They were VERY short lived and most detonated via SUPERNOVA REACTION due to the massive numbers of Binary and Trinary...etc...systems and all elements from Iron all the way up to the heaviest and most massive known were generated in SUPERNOVAS.....thus human beings really are made up of Stardust. The questions you asked as one was is there a limit to the amount of Matter and Energy existing in our Universe and the answer is YES!!! Our Universe is FINITE.....and all existing matter and energy already exist here and no more will be coming nor lost. Continued.....still with me? AA
Now as far as your statement that....and I quote....." If the space/time continuum is expanding (inflation)....YES...it is and it is expanding in 2 ways #1 being the matter and energy ejected from the Big bang is still moving away from that center point ejection. #2. The Universe is continuing also to expand due to what we call Dark Energy as for some unknown reason Space-Time is being generated between all celestial bodies and Galaxies...etc....at an ever increasing rate. You second statement was...." A volume of space has a fundamental energy intrinsic to it"......Answer....unless there is Quantum Particle/Wave Forms within that Space-Time volume THERE CANNOT BE ANY ENERGY WITHIN THAT VOLUME!!! Your third statement is...."Then an increase in the volume of space would mean that energy would have to fill that space." Answer.....NO....an increase in the volume of Space-Time is ether generated by the standard movement apart of celestial bodies and particles of mass and energy away from each other as due to the original ejection velocity from the White Hole.....or it is generated by the increase of Universal space-Time between celestial bodies, galactic constructs and particles of mass and energy due to DARK ENERGY which is something we have absolutely NO IDEA as far as what it is and why it does this and it is MOST LIKELY due to Brane Dinensionality Conflicts within the Bubble Matrix. Your question being....." So where does this energy come from? And is it inexhaustible?"...end quote.....does not apply as it only applies to the Quantum particle/Wave Forms that were sucked into a Ultra-Massive black Hole in a collapsed failed Universe and ejected out of the White Hole which we call the event the BIG BANG. An YES.....this Quanta or Energy IS FINITE.....and NO....as Energy can neither be created or destroyed due to the Laws of Conservation it is in fact INEXHAUSTIBLE. NOW.....there is a theory specific to harnessing Energy from SUBSPACE and in Sci-Fi they call this ZERO POINT ENERGY GENERATION. BUT.....that energy is being stolen from another Universal Reality. OK...dud that is the best I can do to explain this as simply as I possibly can. I hope I helped. AA And....
I think I understand what you are saying, except that this... Seems at odds with this... ...because your first quote indicates that quanta are necessary for spacetime to exist, while your second quote indicates that there can be volume(space) with no energy(quanta) in it. Additionally, if there was absolutely no energy within that volume, the cosmological constant, Lambda, wouldn't be a constant at all. But... You seem to be attempting to leave yourself an out here by saying that additional space can be created by an undefined dark energy, and that somehow that space would have no energy in it, but that still violates the Lambda constant. It's really late, so I'll have to continue this later.
No if you read my first post as far as this is concerned I stated that there is always going to be Energy or Quantum particle/Wave Forms in the form of Light...Photons or Cosmic Radiation within any volume of space-time. AA
The thing is unlike Gravity Equations where we can determine the amount of mass as well as the amount of Dark Matter that is effecting Space-Time to make a celestial body or construct move in the case of Dark Energy which is the cause of all the Galaxies in our Universe seemingly moving we know that in reality it is the Space-Time in between the Galaxies that is increasing in it's existence and NOT a force of energy forcing the galaxies to move away from each other and expand outwardly from the original White Hole Singularity Ejection Point. It's also important to go over the fact that prior to the White Hole Ejection or Big Bang THERE WAS NO UNIVERSAL SPACE-TIME.....at least in this Membrane or Brane as a part of this Multiverse. Many people have a very hard time accepting or understanding because it's not possible to place a visual representation upon this.....that prior to the Big Bang there was NOTHING at least in this Membrane. NOTHING as in...no time....no space....no distance.....NOTHING!!! But as NON-EXISTENCE is not possible there did exist MANY SOMETHINGS....but just not in our currently existing Space-Time Dimensionality. Members have a VERY hard time understanding that there was no just empty space and then POOF!! All of a sudden there is this single point of ejection of Quanta....NO!! That's not how it was and not how it happened. There was NOTHING....and then a wormhole generated by an Ultra-Massive Black Hole that came from a collapsed and failed Divergent Universal reality from within OUR OWN Baseline Universal reality Grouping which is just one grouping of an INFINITE number of Universal Groupings each Grouping having their own set of Universal Physical and Natural laws and each having Infinite Alternate Divergent Universal realities within each Grouping.....well.. Please I must ask the Membership to forgive me as this is NEAR IMPOSSIBLE to properly explain in type and very, very difficult to explain verbally at all so please bear with me OK? ...well.....that Wormhole being powered by the greatest force that has ever existed.....the unbelievably powerful gravitational warping and RIPPING of Universal and Multiversal Membrane Interdimentional Geometry Fabric to such a degree the wormhole ripped right through that failed Universes Membrane allowing the wormhole of form an EXIT or WHITE HOLE....outside the existing Multiversal Bubble Matrix or Membrane Matrix thus generating AN ENTIRELY NEW UNIVERSAL REALITY!!! Thus...OUR Universe. More to come. AA
Now what I have been trying to explain from the beginning is your assertion or hypothesis or whomever's idea that Universal Space-Time has a fixed or constant value specific to ENERGY. Now by definition Space is the VOID....it is empty and it is what fills it that is either Energy or Matter that completely consists of pure energy as I have stated this before and just in case some members do not know...... .......ALL MATTER....is completely comprised of QUANTUM PARTICLE/WAVE FORMS OF PURE ENERGY!! You and I and the computer or tablet or chair or bed or rock or dog or cat or dirt or water or beer or soda or steak or plant or animal or diamond or the Moon or Mars or Jupiter or the Sun or other Stars or Comets.....EVERYTHING......SOLID, LIQUID, GASEOUS, CRYSTALLINE....and even SUNLIGHT, ELECTRICITY, THE POSTMAN.....THE EGGS YOU ATE FOR BREAKFAST........ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING..... .......are completely comprised of Quantum Particle/Wave Forms of PURE ENERGY......and the ONLY difference between a BOLT OF LIGHTNING and a LIGHTNING ROD.....is the ARRANGEMENT OF THE PARTICLE/WAVE FORMS OF ENERGY!!!!......and the type of particles of energy. Soooooo......We do have Space-Time and we call it that because one cannot exist without the other thus no space...no time. And Space-Time exists BECAUSE QUANTA EXISTS....and without Quanta THERE IS NO UNIVERSAL SPACE-TIME!!! The thing is there can be EMPTY SPACE-TIME between Quantum Particle/Wave Forms and THIS Space-Time can be completely empty. AA
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Once again, you seem to be saying two contradictory things. First: But then... I'm not nitpicking here, this is actually the central point. For if our our universe is a closed system now that the white hole is gone, then it has a finite amount of energy within. And if (as you state in the first quoted item) there will "always" be energy within "any volume" of spacetime, then that would mean that universal inflation would ultimately be limited to the amount of energy in the universe, and at some point the universe would then stop expanding.
OK.....what I am saying.....is that DEPENDENT UPON THE VOLUME OF SPACE-TIME EXAMINED.....will determine whether or not there are any Quantum Particle/Wave Forms of Energy Existing. So if we take and look at a 1 Km cubic mile of Space-Time there is ALWAYS going to be a number of Quantum Particle/Wave Forms existing even if it is just Photons or Light. BUT.....if we are to examine a single Cubic Nano-Meter of Space-Time....we very well may find it to be EMPTY of any Quantum Particle/Wave Forms of Energy. See what I am saying now? AA - - - Updated - - - OH....and our Universe is NOT a Closed System. If it was then there would be no such thing as Dark Energy and Dark Matter. As well there would be no FREQUENCY. AA
