A False Dilemma, in Atheism

There is no such thing as a rational Christian. Christianity is an act of faith not rational thinking.

Most of the threads on this forum are started by god believers who somehow seem to have a need to justify their faith while attacking non believers. This thread is but one more example. Either it is insecurity or feelings of inferiority on the part of people who just cant accept faith as faith and not a believe based on rationality.

 

So to get back to this what you are saying is that there is no evidence for gods existence because god isn't willing to actually provide any evidence of his existence. Works for goblins, ghost and unicorns as well.

Of course if your actual arguement is god is hiding his existance the the logical conclusion is god is irrelevant to man.

 

Organized beliefs are religion. Religion is mans organized efforts to promote a belief. We have several here promoting the idea and belief that God did not create things into existence. The belief that elite humans are the ones that hold the answers.

 

passive aggressive means to end a conversation.....got it.

 

Rational thinking is what brings people to faith. You attack believers all the time. You demean the One they worship by calling Him names like "sky fairy". We are nor surprised. It was foretold that Jesus would be mocked. It was foretold that Believers would be mocked for His sake. In China and other countries it can mean death to believe as we do. You would like to set that precedent here I have no doubt. In spite of that persecution in those countries, there are some really strong Believers there. That must really raise your ire!!!

 

Still does not apply to a group of atheists who only have in common a disbelief in god, also does not address the essence of my comment.

 

From the majority of your postings, you would be the expert on that.

 

Believers in the stories that you tell them are facts. Not a sound basis for argument.

Basically, if others believe it then it must be true. A pure logical fallacy.

 

same thing with atheists.

There is no such thing as a rational atheist.

Likewise accepting atheology is an act of faith not rational thinking.

but there is no rule anywhere that says they have to be 'organized'

So you think that it does not apply to atheists beliefs and disbeliefs?

yep same problems atheist have

really? how so?

so you despise that a G/god may take credit for something and you have prejudiced it to be a parlor trick before you know anything about it ?

 

No they are not "impossible" and you have failed to prove your point. What you have proven is that tese events are "improbable" not "impossible".

Given that these events are considered miracles it would stand to reason they would defy conventional knowledge. As I said before if these events were common or even had happened before what would be the point of even mentioning them?

 

You deny the historical evidence and it is not up to me to convince you to accept it. The number of witnesses to the events of the New Testament is overwhelming. The testimony denying those events by contemporary witnesses is completely lacking. 12 Apostles set the world upside down with the conviction of what they saw with their own eyes. The testimony of "women" was given credibility in a time where women had no credibility. The 1st to witness the resurrection of Jesus were women. Anyone making up a ficticous story would not find "women" convincing. Yours is a pure logical fallacy.

 

I have clearly stated well established FACT that have proven my point to anyone who dwells in reality and you have just done so for me by explaining what a miracle is.

 

No there were no written testaments to the alleged events who wrote first party testimony.

 

As usual, babbling nonsense about a su8bject that you know nothing about except for your personal hatred. You have been told many times what atheism actually is yet you cannot stand the fact that it is beyond your understanding and continue to make foolish attacks. Go back to your cave and pile of dusty relics and practice shamanism to satisfy your lack of intelligence.

 

That you make a personal choice to believe in fairy tales and stories that make up alleged facts by those seeking to rule over you is your problem. The alleged historical evidence you write of is largely just claims by those looking to support their stand who would claim anything to have some semblance of power over you and you just choose to believe them.

These witnesses you speak of, have you ever met them? Heard first hand what they have to say? Basically all of your claims are part of a propaganda program to convince you that the lies are true. And those like you fall for it.

 

That's not a dilemma, it's conventional logic. If smth. can't be proved, it simply doesn't exist. Apart from this, you're free to believe that it exists anyway. That's how religion works

 

So you also don't know what passive aggressive means. got it.

 

In my own case AND in every other case where I've asked this and been given an answer, the answer (which is normally vague as though lacking a willingness to answer) is that there is "conviction" which means there is a personal confidence or strong belief. There is no personal proof.

 

That's not true. I've never met an atheist who said lack of evidence is "proof" of anything. And how can there be "evidence that has not yet been discovered"? LOL!!!

 

Why can't "believers" just accept that they have no proof of god?.... -that it's all simply belief even if it is backed up by some personal, subjective experience?

 

Correct. But if you want him to believe it you need to present the evidence.

(It's interesting how we do that regarding politics daily here and the "other side" rejects the evidence in various ways with various strategies.)

 

one simple fallacy is all takes to not have to believe the right wing is into, true witness bearing.

 

No, I have blown your premise to smithereens. Too bad you cannot deal with it.

 

Uh...Yeah....and I just finished dinner with a young and naked Morgan Fairchild while playing my strat for Mick Jaggers birthday.

 

John, James, Jude and Peter all bore witness to the events described and all wrote about it Don't be ridiculous.