A hero, a nation's conscience, everything he predicted has come true

Not . . . even . . . close. The nation is not yet ready to go socialistic. Fifteen to twenty years from now when the Left has got even more of a percentage of the population accustomed to whining for free stuff? Yes; but not in 2016 and not now.

 

+1000 Outstanding analysis and summation. I have TRIED to explain these specific things to socialism-infatuated leftists for years. I nominate this as post of the month.

 

What do all socialism infatuated leftists ALWAYS say? Nobody has tried real socialism yet and this time we will make it work. Meh . . . but after all it's only lives and hopes and dreams that leftists destroy with these socialistic schemes of theirs.

 

So was Lenin's.

 

Capitalism unchecked devolves into fascism, as is the situation in this country today. The government is controlled by corporations and industry, as Mussolini suggested.

 

And is your complaint with the mere idea of control by corporations or with the reality. I think life in these United States is pretty good.

 

Yes, life is good here, especially if you're white.

But that does not change the fact that we have many qualities of a fascist state, mostly control by corporations. Heavens, our Supreme Court has declared years ago that corporations have personhood.

 

And I am asking you what bothers you about having many qualities of a fascist state.

And SCOTUS ruled favorably on corporate personhood in 1886, so it was indeed years ago.

 

I guess what bothers me the most is the damn lies told by media, schools and government. All that bullshit about land of the free and home of the brave, democratic processes whereby the consent of the governed is our style of government, democratic notions that all men are equal before the law. Stuff like that, I guess just the blatant hypocrisy.

There is a little optimism in the air however: https://www.movetoamend.org/

They propose a Constitutional Amendment exactly defining that corporations are NOT humans, but only inanimate creations of humans, and thus are not in possession of the Rights of Man.

 

Capitalism, unchecked, would eliminate all government functions. Without government can you have a fascist government?

 

Fascism is the opposite of what you say. Here is the dictionary definition:

Fascism | Definition of Fascism by Merriam-Webster
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism
Fascism definition is - a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

It is not government controlled by business. It is really the opposite. Capitalism doesn't devolve to into fascism. You made that up.

 

Here is another definition, this one from Webster's New Riverside: "A philosophy or governmental system marked by stringent socioeconomic control, a strong central government usually headed by a dictator, and often a belligerently nationalistic policy."

Capitalism (which I favor) HAS devolved into fascism, whether you can face that bitter truth or not.

 

You're not far off, but your statement is essentially inaccurate. Close, but no cigar.

In fascism, the government is needed to write the laws that favor the corporations.

During the Clinton administration, for example, special interests took steps to eventually do away with the US Postal Service, a constitutionally mandated agency. They did that so that Fed Ex and UPS could take the place of USPS. So you're close, but no cigar.

 

Because the people on here have some sort of common sense?

 

How does capitalism operate without government functions to protect private property and issue currency?

 

It is bitter opinion, I'm afraid, and one I don't share.

 

OK, but the argument was about unfettered capitalism that reaches its endgame. This would result in a society without government.

I used this in context to compare it to socialism's eventual endpoint, communism.

Ask an avid Libertarian?

Capitalism at its culmination would result in the free market dictating everything from what is considered currency to wages to safety issues... It's not realistic in today's world, unlike unfettered socialism, which has frequently resulted in communism...

 

In so many cases, reality is quite bitter. Denying it doesn't change it. Denial might assuage one's cognitive dissonance, but it doesn't change the facts or their bitter taste.

 

I have, many times, and always get a non-answer. Typically so many words of “it will just work out.” Libertarian laissez-faire capitalism is just as ridiculous as communism.

 

Some compare a fascist state with the "hand in glove" analogy. If we use that, unfettered capitalism in its endgame would be very close to that.

Where does the hand end and the glove begin? Visually, they are one and the same. The government would become as it is today, a formality to facilitate the plunder of the treasury by special interests.

Widespread socialism could be a formality to facilitate the plunder of the treasury for redistribution to the people.

 

Well, it probably would work out, much as it had for most of human history until government was invented. Interesting, how government came about; it was the original protection racket. But we haven't seen a truly free market for well over a thousand years

And I agree that today it would be as ridiculous as communism, but here's food for thought: communism is a viable political system today in much of the world, and even sought after by some leftists here in America...

 

This is why I've always thought fascism has much more in common with socialism and communism than most political systems, as it depends on a totalitarian regime of some sort to survive after it's been established. Germany and Italy and Spain had their own gulags and such, but at least they didn't kill as many of their citizens as the Soviets, China and Cambodia did...

 

What time period are you talking about? Before written history?

I would disagree that communism is more viable today, considering every nation on Earth is effectively capitalist, and communism would require the abolition of central government.

 

I tend to agree here I went third-party but I would have voted Bernie although it was against my best interests. My wife is a salad Trump supporter and would have not hesitated to vote for Bernie either.

So many people I've talked to feel the exact same way.

Ultimately I'm glad he lost the nomination. I don't sincerely have him under consideration for 2020 to be honest I've learned too much info about his ideas.

 

Communism is all about a central government. This is what makes them totalitarian regimes. And there are plenty of communist governments today:

https://www.thoughtco.com/communist-countries-overview-1435178

And this is why most of us on the right shun a strong, central government that can control individual freedom; ultimately, such a government leads to repressing their own citizens...