A Libertarian for President

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by Maximatic, Sep 14, 2012.

  1. BleedingHeadKen

    BleedingHeadKen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Monetary central planning caused that, and the GOP is firmly fastened onto that system. It funds their endless warfare and other authoritarian schemes.

    It won't happen with a Romney administration, either.
     
  2. headhawg7

    headhawg7 Well-Known Member

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    The economy is not going to get back on track for a very very long time if ever unless the rest of the world(namely the emerging market countries) continue to import our inflation. If interest rates rise, which they need to, then the debt service becomes too cumbersome. We need a total restructure but it is not going to happen regardless of the president(obama or romney). If you believe govt spending cuts are coming to reduce the debt then I will gladly ask you for a link to show me the last republican admin or congress to reduce the debt.

    Only way rates can stay this low is running the presses as nobody in their right mind is going to continue to buy our bonds. Kick the can down the road is about over. No more bubbles except the biggest bubble of them all. The treasury bubble. Just wait till that bubble pops. The world has never seen anything like what we are going to witness.
     
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    headhawg7 Well-Known Member

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    Hear Hear!!! The boom and bust cycles can be directly attributed to govt intervention and FED policy. Period. It is not just democrat or republican. It is both.
     
  4. Dispondent

    Dispondent Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No it isn't, its so you can feel free to whine you lost and pretend you aren't part of the problem... Do it right and win, gain respect, not this whiny crap.... No personal offense meant, but I tire of it on a whole... :)
     
  5. theunbubba

    theunbubba Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    These people don't have a clue how the system works. I'll bet you dimes to doughnuts that one of them will say that it's the system that's causing the problem without understanding the mechanics of it. Like some idiot redneck taking a hammer to his engine to see if he can "git it to come loose and run".

    They want instant power. They don't want to elect city council reps and state senators and then national leaders. They want it all NOW! (*)(*)(*)(*)ing morons.
     
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    Dispondent Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I agree, I can't even say more! :)
     
  7. Maximatic

    Maximatic Well-Known Member

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    Wow. Look how mad the neocons get over a Libertarian running for the Presidency.
     
  8. 3link

    3link Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    lol gary johnson
     
  9. Zosiasmom

    Zosiasmom New Member Past Donor

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    Whining implies we're inconvenienced and have petty grievances. What these two parties have done with their time in government is akin to Godzilla demolishing Tokyo. By voting for someone you are giving them approval. There is no other way to look at it, is there?

    I vote "no" and, my friend, I could care less who thinks I'm whining. I am sick to death of their corruption that has forced us to a precipice where one more "incident" will push us over into Soviet style government.
     
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    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    The only way we are even going to be heading it the right dirction is to make the current income tax rates permanent, cut corporate taxes, stop the regulation explosion an get people back to work. You can talk all you want about the debt but it is pointless until we first get the deficits under control and then a surplus in the budget. Only the Republicans give us any hope for that at this point. Then complete entitlement reform, not expansion. Again only the Republicans give us any hope for that to occur.

    And I am not a Republican, have voted for the libertatian twice the last 3 elections.
     
  11. theunbubba

    theunbubba Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We in the modern TEA party are doing what you "Libertarians" refused to do for decades. We are in the trenches electing local officials and taking over the Republican party from within. You just can't stand somebody doing what you said you wanted to do while sitting on your ass typing on a keyboard in mommies basement.
     
  12. Maximatic

    Maximatic Well-Known Member

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    :popcorn:

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  13. Badmutha

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    Well he only has to get every Libertarian vote......and then pull 99.9% of Republican votes to win....

    ........sounds like a winning strategy........
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  14. Til the Last Drop

    Til the Last Drop Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Or have democrats who are more social conscious realize they'd get far better results with a libertarian, and republicans who are more economic conscious realize they'd get far better results with a libertarian. Types who are a good chunk of both parties.
     
  15. Day of the Candor

    Day of the Candor Well-Known Member

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    I agree with you 100%. I very right wing and (*)(*)(*)(*) proud of it! I'd like to have Gary Johnson or maybe somebody even more conservative than he is. But right now we've got to get this lousy socialist mother(*)(*)(*)(*)er out of the White House. Nothing is more important than that or he will destroy the country by the time he is forced to leave.
     
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    Badmutha New Member

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    Get real......The State never fractures. The overwhelming majority of Democrat voters vote Democrat because they like Free sh.t.......

    .......which means The LP has little if any chance of pulling votes from The DNC.....
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    If the LP could get the nation legalized marijuana, they'd be a mainstay for a couple of decades. It wouldn't last forever. They'd have to find something else populist to piggy back. Their most crippling feature is their pro-globalism, anti-sovereignty stance, in the wrong day and age to be so.
     
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    Til the Last Drop Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think the biggest mistake Dr. Paul made was letting people brand him a libertarian. Because in the scheme of things, he isn't

    Libertarians want to claim him as their own because he is pro free trade, anti-interventionism, and against the federal government.

    However, outside of free trade, his rationale behind those supports are not libertarian. They are constitutional. He doesn't want to do away with the idea of state. He fights for state rights over the federal government. That is not libertarian.

    He is not for legalizing drugs, he thinks it should be up the states and not the federal government. Hardly libertarian.

    He is anti-abortion. Paleocon in this regard.

    His anti-interventionism stance is constitutional. Every action we are engaged in would be criminal to the founders.

    His lack of support for entities such as the WTO and UN are constitutional.

    The short sided boost libertarianism gave him as a label crippled him in the long run. The great majority of people are nationalist, to some degree or another. The lack of belief in nation makes the LP an outcast, like that of atheists, until they come to this realization.
     
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    hopeless_in_2012 New Member

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    Actually he isnt. As far as I know, he is not on the Michigan ballot. The Libertarian party is suing the state to get Gary E. Johnson on the ballot in his place but a decision is yet to come. It doesnt matter to me, I will be writing him in. I also have decided to vote Libertarian in many other races here in Michigan with a few exceptions for local races. Both of our senators and my congressional rep voted for NDAA and have lost my vote for life.
     
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    You keep saying this, but I don't really see a difference in any area that I actually care about. When you do something about the NDAA and Patriot Act, get back to me. Until then I will just check you off as a neocon movement.
     
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    I really and truly get the "vote against the other guy" argument, but I'm not convinced at all that one option is all that different than the other. Why should I care if Obama gets another 4 years if I don't think things would be any better or different under Romney?
     
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    From James Carville:

     
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    theunbubba Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Because Romney is beholden to the TEA party for a win. He's going to agree with at least 85% of what we want. Obama will fight us at every turn tooth and nail.

    If you can't see that, you must be a propagandist for the democrats.
     
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    I don't even know what the tea party stands for anymore, but if you're saying Romney is for any sort of small government, then you're delusional.
     
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    I would vote for Johnson in a heartbeat, if he was the nominee in a head to head election against Obama.
    However that's not the case. Johnson and his followers are nothing more than spoilers, and if they peel off a couple percentage points away from Romney they will be remembered in a very negative light by half the country that is against Obama.
     

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