A Message To My Fellow Police Officers

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  1. jdog

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    It is a monopolized tyrannical system in which the people have no power.
     
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    Why? because I would have to become someone without morals or conscience?
     
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    All cops are criminals because the ones who do not commit the crimes break their oath and turn a blind eye to the ones who do. You do not have to commit a crime to be a criminal, you only have to be an accomplice in covering it up.....
     
  5. Merwen

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    Because no matter how well you do the job some creep will either shoot you or some dumb, self righteous SJW will get you legally attacked even if you don't deserve it.

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    That's IMO mostly bs from some movies you saw. It might be true in a few larger, really corrupt cities but I would need to see proof.
     
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    So all blacks ARE criminals then?
     
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    If you do not believe cops lie consistently and refuse to testify against one another then I cannot say anything that will convince you, you are simply living in a fantasy world. You probably believe politicians are working in your behalf too....

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    You will have to connect the dots on that one, it sounds like a uneducated racial rant.
     
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    No not at all. Just using your own logic.
    See, I have enough sense to know not all blacks are criminals. And neither are all cops corrupt. You can say it all you want. Doesn't make it true.
     
  9. mudman

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    Are you under the impression that naming a couple instances proves anything? A few examples proves nothing.

    https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/29tabledatadecpdf

    12,196,959 arrests were made in 2012 so you can guess how many police/public interactions there were total.

    How many people, who complied with officers, were harmed? When you answer that question you'll realize that yes, you are safe from police force if you comply. It's not 100% as there are idiot cops out there, but it's probably well over 99%.

    The claim that you are not safe from police brutality if you comply is a lie, the data proves it. Your select instances are outliers used to push your pathetic anti police agenda. People who think like you are part of the problem.
     
  10. Hoosier8

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    Don't like the law, don't follow it but don't come whining to us when you have to pay the price.
     
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    Weak? You think posting a couple examples proves something? You're either incredibly ignorant to what it means to 'prove' something or you're trolling. I'll assume ignorance since I just had to explain the same thing to someone else.

    Here is the part of that response that you need to read.

    It's abundantly clear who has the comprehension problem.
     
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    The bad ones cannot get away with what they do without the good ones covering for them.
     
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    Not every cop does that, in fact it is still a small portion. Abuse is not nearly as wide spread as people attempt to portray.
     
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    Yes, I am. What do you think happened in Los Angeles during the rodney king riots? You think they were singing kumbaya on the streets before the national guard were called in?

    Yeah, you go with that the next time the hoi polloi get their dander up. Nothing like a few stats to get people to go home and stop whining about what is obviously a non-issue.

    Yes, we are part of the problem. Do not forget that. We are most definitely an enormous problem.

    Don't forget that.
     
  15. Seth Bullock

    Seth Bullock Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I worked in patrol most of my career. I was a supervisor and field training officer. I retired in 2008. I was a military policeman from 1974-1977. I was a Deputy Sheriff in a major metropolitan area in CA from 1979-1980, and I was a police officer in a city in the Pacific Northwest from 1980-2008. That's 32 years. I am employed as a trainer at my state's police academy. So really, that's 40 years of experience.

    Now you know what my job was and is.

    Nah, man. First of all, you don't know me. Second, I have been in a position to keep my officers on the straight and narrow on a few occasions, and I have protected them from themselves at times. And, I have been instrumental in bringing about discipline and firing of officers as needed. I have no regrets, and there is nothing I would have done differently as far as that goes.

    I have never been sympathetic towards cops who willfully break the Code of Ethics or the law.

    The vast, vast majority are with me on this.

    I remember as a very young officer, just learning the job from experienced officers, feeling almost in awe of the courage and calm they displayed in the face of great danger. And I learned from their example. And I wish to say that being the one who has to do the things that must be done is nothing like watching it on TV or a YouTube video. Quite honestly, people who watch a video and say, "I would have done this", or "I would have done that" have no idea what they would have done because they've never been in that position. It is not the same.

    Often times I want to tell all the arm-chair quarterbacks to go out on patrol for 10 years, and then talk to me about it. But I know this is not going to happen, so I don't say it. But I guarantee you, your perspective would be different. And I don't care if your friend is a cop, or your brother or cousin or whatever. It's not the same as actually personally doing it.

    My two cents .... :oldman:
     
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    There are about 10,000 video's online that prove you wrong..... I guess you do not have the guts to look at them though, do you?

    I can find you some of cops attacking disabled people and children who could not defend themselves if you like.........
     
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    A message to all police, stay safe. DH and I are really pissed off at what is happening.
     
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    How about stop committing crimes and when they tell you to do something do it. We tax payers pay for a public defendant for you. If you disagree fight it out in court. Why anyone would think that fighting it out in the street is a winner is beyond me.
     
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    Yea, go out and shoot some civilians or maybe beat up a disabled kid, that should make you feel better......
     
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    Yes we've had run in's with the police but we took it to court. Trying to fight it out in the street is a sure loser.
     
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    So disobeying an order is now grounds for summary execution? Kind of like the blind, deaf, cancer patient who got their face beat into the floor because they did not comply fast enough with a TSA agents demands? http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...wAqpnW-TYYwq7ngWAXmOtw&bvm=bv.127521224,d.cGc
     
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    So is taking it to court. You see cops enjoy "qualified immunity" which means they can get away with anything they want so long as you cannot prove they actually planned it ahead of time..... If you or me shoots and unarmed person we go to prison for 2nd degree murder, cops get let off with no charges filed because of qualified immunity. They are another group in our society that enjoys special rights above and beyond the citizens they serve. Kind of like the royalty we fought to free ourselves from........
     
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    Well then you're wrong. Isolated examples prove nothing. 1 incident that happened 2+ decades ago can't be used to draw the conclusion that you're drawing. This really is basic logic...isolated examples prove nothing.

    You mean go with the truth....yes, I think I will stick to the truth.

    How can I forget it when you splash your ignorance every chance you get? It sticks out like a sore thumb to me when someone tries to pass of an isolated incident as proof of a nationwide problem.
     
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    Well okay, so it's a non-issue.

    I'm sure the OP is feeling better to know that these isolated incidents of police getting shot at isn't anything to worry about. As you pointed out yourself, look at the stats! The vast vast majority of interactions between the police and civilians results in no deaths.
     
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    There aren't 10k videos showing that. You are objectively wrong there.

    And of the videos that are up, the vast majority are of justified use of force. Again, you are objectively wrong.

    Your entire justification for thinking 1 bad cop means all cops are bad is wrong. So few officers do that, or witness that and dont say anything.
     

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