A point of view

Nice side tract, but we are talking about discerning true understanding of the divine being determined through honest observation of the various religious beliefs in the world.

 

Not nearly the damage communists and socialists have done in the name of Atheism..

 

That's your opinion... there are two religions not created by man. One a continuation of the first.

 

Ha! I didnt expect anything but an insult from you. You should have made it entertaining since it contained no substance.haha

And since your certainty is indefensible unless a product of delusion there was no expectation you would reason your way out of the hole you folks of certainty dig.

I doubt you have spent much time thinking about this. That is this claim of absolute truth and certainty.

 

Then, can you consider Religion seem like a theory?

 

Thats not quite what the OP asked... Do you think its possible to gain true understanding of a divine being?

Are you a divine being yourself?

 

No, people posing as Christians have done that.

No, the only reason to do that is to determine the legitimacy of its historical exponents.

Again, you're not within lightyears of making a prima facie case for that. Even stipulating arguendo that, e.g., the Christian Crusaders were morally indistinguishable from their Islamic enemies, no way in hell can you logically get from there to modern day Baptists or Methodists or Catholics getting it wrong.

Sure, like you've said anything I haven't heard a million times from a million atheists.

No insult came from me, pilgrim.

Presumably you're quite certain about that.

Then score one for my easy brilliance over the plodding reason that evidently serves to keep you oblivious to your self-contradiction.

 

Naah-unnh, kid. You forget the CENTURIES in which theocracy intertwined with monarchial governments....hence the spread of Christianity throughout the world. The Native Americans were getting screwed right up to the 1940's and 1950's by derivatives of the Bible (old & new testament). Islam did a number throughout Asia and parts of Europe, Hinduism beat up on the Moslems, etc., etc., so on and so on. You got a beef with socialism, go gripe to England and Sweden and other countries that incorporate it and have function pretty well for decades....not perfect, but nothing you allude to. Communism...the only versions we know are that practiced in Russia, China and Cuba....that sucked. Atheism exist along with religion in socialist based countries....look it up. That's an honest observation based on general analysis.

 

Not opinion, but fact by definition:

religion
[rəˈlijən]
NOUN

1. the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.
   "ideas about the relationship between science and religion"
   synonyms:
   faith · belief · divinity · worship · creed · teaching · doctrine · theology · sect · cult · religious group · faith community · church · denomination · body · following · persuasion · affiliation
   • a particular system of faith and worship.
     "the world's great religions"
     synonyms:
     faith · religious belief(s) · religious persuasion · religious conviction · religious group · faith community · church · persuasion · affiliation · denomination · sect · body · following · communion · order · school · fraternity · brotherhood · sisterhood
   • a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance.
     "consumerism is the new religion"

 

If religions stated as such in their dictums...but they don't for the most part. FAITH is the cornerstone of most religions, from what I observe. I have yet to come across a religion that calls itself a theory outright, like say Einstein's Theory of Relativity.

 

Err, the OP didn't "ask" anything .... it was a statement. Re-read it. It states straight out that you have to be an honest observer in order first determine which religion or belief is a true path to understanding a divine being (or state of being). That is the discussion at hand.

You last sentence is just silly, as I am not professing any religious belief or declaring myself as such.

 

Yes you are right, one question do you believe in string theory?
https://www.physlink.com/education/askexperts/ae138.cfm

 

1. Read your Old Testament....a whole lot of warring and killing going on there with "God" giving the occasional assist or consent. Whether defensive or offensive, a whole lot of KIDS were wiped out with the wicked folk.
2. Dude, like it or not, religion is a part of history....Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, etc., helped shape world history via theocratic type governments, dynasties and the like.
3. Really? Why not ask the descendants of the native nations in North & South America who had to deal with the groups you mentioned as a piggy back to European and then "American" imperialism. They'll open your eyes.
4. You need to brush up on your reading comprehension....the OP is advocating HONEST OBSERVATION.....if that translates to atheism for you, then that's your problem (fundamentalist in ANY religion consider any questioning of scripture atheism).
5.

 

It's a theory that doesn't even have a "real world experience" like part of the theory of relativity....but a theory in relation to the "real" world observed none the less. I accept it as that.

 

Buddhism (most forms) Taoism and Confucianism/Mencianism all don't have Deities, so therefore don't have any "Faith" at all. Yet these are not small religions

 

What would indicate to you an observer is being dishonest?

 

Nope sorry, Atheism is a key ingredient to communism. If Christians have to take the rap for what evil people did under a religious costume then atheists have to take credit for stalin, mao, pol pot and all the other socialist revolutions..

 

You can’t substantiate anything in your post.

 

If your response to this isn't properly formatted, the conversation terminates here. Now then:

The problem being...?

You're under the impression KIDS are never wicked?

Swell, thanks for nothing.

Be that as it may, they won't contravene a word I've said, if your performance can be taken as indicative.

No I don't, trust me.

Quite the original thinker, aren't you?

lol

 

God does not help you observe.

You have to observe on your own.

 

From the Bible:

Joshua slaughtered every many, woman, child and animal of Jericho. He did that in order to impress on other ciities that they should surrender. Today, that is called terrorism. This was said to have been carried out with the help of God.

God is said to have blessed the Israelites for slaughtering tens of thousands of Midianites - men, women and children - including prisoners. The only ones not slaughtered were virgin girls who were divided beween the generals.

 

History is filled with "sane" people who believed they were "honest observers"...but found themselves in a great struggle to protect their paradigm.

 

Which religions are those?

 

I have observed your post but, as I don't believe in god, there is no way for me to know if it is true.

As I do not believe in god there is no way for me to disagree with god.

So, as I don't believe, you are considering me dishonest or mistaken?
Who determines if one has an "accurate view of God"?

 

God says he exists, you thinking He doesn't puts you in disagreement with Him.

God does., no i don't believe you are dishonest.