A Question for the Theists who Believe in Evolution

Long post for a "reasonable resolution".
Circles now. Nothing new.
Goodnight.

 

Depends, If that is analytical standards its way higher.

 

Some people can cut up a body into parts and get around $300,000 for it.

 

Intrinsic, or extrinsic value?

 

I'm in no mood to repeat the whole discussion. If you haven't worked it out so far I recommend you read the "Critique of Practical Reason". And if you then still have issues with "inherent human dignity" or being "an end in itself" (as Kant puts it) start picketing the UN for having suggested such an outrageous thing as the "Universal Declaration of Human Rights" in which it is declared that each of us has such dignity.

 

Dignity and intrinsic value are not the same thing.
One can support human rights without supporting the belief that being born conveys value upon someone. People that are nearly universally considered to be less than worthless (Hitler, child molester/killers, and so on) still have rights. Even the most devout on here might villify these people as scum, but they still maintain certain human rights, in spite of being considered to be devoid of human value.
Society may depend on the idea of intrinsic value. It may be required for people to live together. The nuances of the arguments being made may be too fine to base a civilization on. But none of that makes it truth. It makes it useful.

 

How do you think surgeons learn how to perform surgery on various body parts? They buy parts to practice on.

http://www.wired.com/magazine/?p=42750

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2013/03/suspected-human-parts-seller-arrested-in-abeokuta/

http://thenigeriatoday.net/police-a...d-for-n8000-hands-n4000-private-parts-n10000/

 

There are also some very dark things that happen with human body parts,

 

That brings me to the scene about Jesus being missing from the tomb. I think Joseph of Arimathea and his buddies grabbed the corpse and ate it because Jesus claimed that by doing that people would gain eternal life. Joseph was probably ticked off for being a fool as he finally realized that he was dying himself.

 

I told you not to tell!!!!!!!

 

yuck did you have to say that

 

If that body is still alive.

AboveAlpha

 

Actually a corpse can be a very valuable commodity. It's probably why so many people end up missing every year.

 

Probably other religion does that it robs the people of their intellect, Christianity is very clear God gave the people the intellect to think, to create, to expand and take charge of this universe the greatest gift of all without the intellect humans will be just any other animals we won't have the civilization that we know now or will we be talking or posting here now.
Genesis 1:
27 So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.
28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

The sex organs are part of the body anatomy just like every animals have a sex organ the purpose is to allow this living things to procreate a very ingenious design by God. IN HIS IMAGE meant that humans have God's skill and intellect to think and invent stuff that include inventing space ships that will reach planets, wireless devices, medicines etc. that is what IN GOD'S IMAGE mean it has nothing to do with the body.

 

For them to do that they will need to get Jesus body out, they will need to convince the Roman guards to let them eat Jesus body, if they ate it inside the tomb the tomb would be very messy with all body parts and blood.
Two scenario:
1, For the atheist who are seeking some scientific proof or reconciliation: Joseph of Arimathea was quick to ask Pilate to take the body of Jesus down from the cross that same day. Today's medicine have discover that certain drugs can induce "death like" state stopping the heart, drugs that would allow a person to not feel pain, physical and mental training to ignore pain. Remember there is an about 20 unaccounted years of Jesus. Jesus started his ministry when he was about 30 years old appearing suddenly fully learn, knowledgeable about Rome, Greek, Judaism and God he also have good medical skills the ability to identify certain illnesses and symptoms that are curable that is why he was able to cure a selected lepers, a selected blind person, or raising a selected dead man Lazarus. Jesus knew their symptoms and he knew how to treat it he has this very advance medical and scientific knowledge and skills. He was very clear that in three days he will rise again, he will be torture and beaten. During the last supper that is when he took some drugs that would numb his body from pain. When he was carrying his cross one of the women that wiped his face gave him some drugs to allow him to go on. When the Roman soldier speared Jesus, Jesus was already in coma and unconscious his heart have already stop beating, when the soldier was about to break Jesus knees John stop the soldier and the soldier did not broke Jesus knees. Jesus has three days to take the antidote that would revive him or else he would be dead if not administered on time. That is why Joseph of Arimathea had to act quickly and he did he was able to give Jesus the antidote in time. Then using gun power place on the tombs huge rock to roll it back. That is why the Roman soldiers who were guarding it run back to their garrison and reported that a loud blinding explosion. Where did the gunpowder came from chances are it came from the east remember Jesus 20 missing years.

2. This explanation definitely agrees that Jesus Christ is God for no one during his time has that skill, knowledge and ability to die on the cross and Resurrect, only God in human form can have those skills and knowledge without using His Godly power but using human abilities and intellect.

 

If the resurrection actually occurred and he wasn't just thrown into a mass grave like everybody else.

 

Like I said...If the BODY is alive....not the persons mind.

A living Brain Dead body could be worth as much as several MILLION DOLLARS if it was a match for certain things and was needed in a timely basis.

I find anyone working in such a field simple Target Practice.

AboveAlpha

 

All indication point that the Resurrection did occur or happen either base on scientific theory or Biblical accounts either way Jesus Christ did resurrect.
There is no doubt that Jesus body was not dump into mass graves it is recorded that Joseph of Arimathea immidiately ask Pilate for permission to take Jesus body down for proper burial also the Romans soldier who was about to break Jesus knees to make sure he is dead did not do it after John ask him not to. And finally, Pilate and his wife are said to have nothing against Jesus in fact Pilate reluctantly had Jesus crucified after being pressure by the leaders of the Jewish community.

 

First of all there is no evidence that exists that could possibly prove your statement or claim.

Secondly....if you do believe Jesus was the Son of GOD and that everything goes according to GOD'S PLAN...it makes absolutely no sense for you to point out or blame either the Jews or Roman's for the killing of Jesus.

AboveAlpha

 

And by "all indication" you mean "The Gospels say so".

 

Don't forget that the stone was rolled away from the tomb's entrance and there was at least one suspect discovered inside the tomb. He claimed he was an angel. The story doesn't mention how many wings he had.

 

The proof was that after they learn of Jesus resurrection suddenly the Apostles came out from their hiding, they become totally change men no longer were they afraid they were all ready and willing to give up their earthly wealth, power and comfort and preach the Words of God to all men knowing very well the risk of dying a torturous and painful death. In fact that was what they were waiting for the resurrection because if Jesus had not resurrected then it would proof that he is just a man a prophet and there will be no Christianity today.
Secondly modern science today can proof the miracles of Jesus clinically including his resurrection.
Thirdly the historical implication of Jesus Christ preaching, life and resurrection shape the entire history of that region including the history of the Roman empire and the rise of Islam.

The blame part has always been the issue of men only men will always find someone to blame, you ask who is to blame for Jesus crucifixion the answer the Pharisees. Jesus was never dead, spiritually base on God's plan no one to blame not the Pharisees, not the Romans and mostly not Judas Iscariot.

God's plan is left to the free will of men if the Pharisees have accepted Jesus Christ or if Pontius Pilate had not succumb to the pressure of the Pharisees and let Jesus go then the whole history would have change according to what ever actions men decide not God's.

 

The Biblical account said it was an angel with or without wings it is an angel.
Modern science account how can a ton of stone be roll back without the Roman guards noticing anyone getting by them? This goes back to when Jesus was being place inside the tomb Joseph of Arimathea left some explosives for Jesus to use once he revive. The Roman guards not familiar with explosives would not think anything suspicious about those explosives they may have thought that those are just another part of Jewish rituals. As for an angel appearing, a servant of Joseph of Arimathea hid inside the tomb and because it was dark and the Roman guards did not check thoroughly before closing the tomb the servant cloak with the rags and other garments left inside the tomb went unnoticed after the tomb was closed the servant came out from hiding and apply more medication to revive Jesus afterwards he place the explosives exactly where it is supposed to be to roll the stone away. The explosion cause a brightening light and because the Roman guards are not familiar with such explosives were shock and stun they got so scare that the person they saw that they thought was an angel was actually the servant and because the guards probably were aware who Jesus was they were over taken with fear that truly Jesus is God so they run away.

If and this is a big IF that Jesus Christ miracles and Resurrection are base on his knowledge of modern science and medicine that is not available during his time then the question is how and where did he learn all of this, this modern medicines that would become available in the 20th century not in the 1st century AD or beyond that???

 

Yes the Bible and other none Biblical sources the thing is there are limited none Biblical records because Jesus Christ case and crucifixion was not consider a national threat or event it was a localized event that did not even involved the Roman emperor or the whole of the Roman empire. It was the after effects of Jesus Christ Resurrection that suddenly caught the attention of the entire Roman empire with the rise of Christianity that certain none Christian scribes started to write about Jesus Christ and their only source are from the eye witness account the Apostles and the events that occur after Jesus Christ.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus
Most modern scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed,[1][2][3][4] but scholars differ on the historicity of specific episodes described in the Biblical accounts of Jesus,[5] and the only two events subject to "almost universal assent" are that Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist and was crucified by the order of the Roman Prefect Pontius Pilate.[6][7][8] Biblical scholars and classical historians regard theories of his non-existence as effectively refuted.[9][10][11] Most scholars agree that Jesus was a Galilean Jew who was born between 7 and 2 BC and died 30–36 AD,[12][13][14] that he lived in Galilee and Judea, did not preach or study elsewhere,[15][16][17] and that he spoke Aramaic and perhaps also Hebrew and Greek.[18][19][20]
Since the 18th century a number of quests for the historical Jesus have taken place, and historical critical methods for studying the historicity of Jesus have been developed. Various Christian and non-Christian sources are used to study and establish the historicity of Jesus, e.g. Jewish sources such as Josephus, and Roman sources such as Tacitus. These sources are compared and contrasted to Christian sources such as the Pauline Letters and the Synoptic Gospels. These sources are usually independent of each other (e.g. Jewish sources do not draw upon Roman sources), and similarities and differences between them are used in the authentication process.[21][22]

 

Yes, the Bible.

Name one.

Well, considering that the Gospels claimed that the dead rose from their graves and walked around in Jerusalem, and Paul claims that 500 people saw the resurrection of Jesus, I would think that there should be some mention of these wonderous feats.

Your own quote basically says that your view that the Resurrection was a historical event is a fringe view. So, thanks for that.