A question on morality. Did someone have to tell you that rape is wrong?

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  1. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, I took it to the next, or another level. If each individual is responsible for what is or is not correct, could that not apply to everything? Including laws that govern the individual?
     
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    Obviously, criminals act of their own accord and follow their own rules rather than acting within the confines of established law. Rapist understand that rape is illegal, but they do not care and rape anyway. I assume there is a small minority of rapists who actually do not understand the immorality or illegality of rape, but none the less they are subject to the same laws as everyone else. The laws that I follow I do not follow because I am expected to follow them, I just happen to agree with them. Lucky for me any law that I disagree with does not apply to me.
     
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    So, the issues of belief, morality, existence of God, non-existence of God, Atheism, Hinduism, Christianity, etc.... are all so subjective that they are only relevant to the individual person and should not then be a concern of others?
     
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    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    Already told you, social and cultural changes throughout history have deemed rape to not be accepted as the 'norm'

    and as I said, that was part of what was considered not immoral. The Qur'an does allow rape of captured women;

    Qur’an 23:1-6—The Believers must (eventually) win through—those who humble themselves in their prayers; who avoid vain talk; who are active in deeds of charity; who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess—for (in their case) they are free from blame.

    Qur’an 70:22-30—Not so those devoted to Prayer—those who remain steadfast to their prayer; and those in whose wealth is a recognized right for the (needy) who asks and him who is prevented (for some reason from asking); and those who hold to the truth of the Day Of Judgement; and those who fear the displeasure of their Lord—for their Lord’s displeasure is the opposite of Peace and Tranquility—and those who guard their chastity, except with their wives and the (captives) whom their right hands possess—for (then) they are not to be blamed.

    The phrase "whom their right hands possess" basically means those who are owned ie slaves

    So again, rape within the same tribal group was not allowed . .rape of captured females from other conquered tribes was allowed and not seen as morally wrong.
     
  5. robini123

    robini123 Well-Known Member

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    Everything is subject to the individual, but this is not to say that an independent review of ideals/morals/ethics will lead us all to different answers. I am betting that if you and I were to sit down and talk about morality that we would would agree much more than we disagree on what is or is not moral behavior. Most people are against rape in America, no matter what their background or beliefs. This is a brave assumption on my part but as I have faith in my fellow Americans I believe most would stand with me in opposition to rape.

    Morality in our society is in part governed by the laws of the judiciary and as such all within our society are subject to these laws... for example the law/s against rape. Morality that lie outside the judiciary in the realm of social norms is subjective and not backed by any authority. Religion in our society is another case. Religion is highly subjective and wide open to interpretation. As I see it many of the social norms that lie outside the judiciary are governed by peoples interpretation of Biblical doctrine.
     
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    I will agree to all of those terms.
     

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