A recession likely to occur...

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  1. struth

    struth Well-Known Member

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    I wish they did and didn’t have years of dnc control before they took office.
     
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    The economy doesn't look like it cares.
     
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    Then you aren’t paying attention. The thousands of folks out of work under the double digit Obama/Reid/Nancy regime disagree
     
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    I'm paying attention to the actual economic data, not memes. Employment began diving before Obama/Reid/Nancy and turned around at a time when Dems controlled the WH and both houses of Congress. The trend that started then is the same one that continues today.

    As I've said before: while Dems mistake correlation for causation, the Trump crew can't even get the correlation part right.
     
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    There is no "Trump attack on free trade".

    He is working for free trade. Free trade is not a one way transaction. Free trade isn't sending money and jobs to other countries, while they block flows in the other direction. Free trade isn't theft of technologies.

    You complain about one poster deflecting to another topic, but then muddy the waters with Fake News.
     
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    Then you haven't heard of his tariffs. I'm sorry to break the news.

    Not according to his actions and words. According to both, he's the most anti-trade President we've had in modern history.

    Trade is going in both directions. And our money that goes oversees (aka imports) is 1) part of that trade 2) not a net loss and 3) something that comes back to us. Jobs? Yes, some jobs will go overseas when we trade . . . while even more jobs are created for us overall.

    Perhaps the first correct thing in this post.

    Econ 101 isn't fake news and Trump's trade war was part of the OP. I complained about one poster deflecting because that's what they were doing.
     
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    "Then you haven't heard of his tariffs. I'm sorry to break the news."

    I have to wonder at the mindset behind such a comment.

    "Not according to his actions and words. According to both, he's the most anti-trade President we've had in modern history."

    Divorced from reality. Trump called the other countries out. He said let's drop all tariffs. He got crickets in response. He sells trade everywhere he goes.
     
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    The mindset of understanding that these tariffs exist and what they are. It isn't so much a "mindset" as an awareness of reality.

    The EU offered to drop auto tariffs if we did the same. Trump declined. He does not sell trade wherever he goes. He has openly claimed that we'd be richer if we didn't trade with anyone - the most anti-trade, economically ignorant comment made by a President in modern history.
     
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    "The mindset of understanding that these tariffs exist and what they are. It isn't so much a "mindset" as an awareness of reality."

    I would think that you would then understand that they are a form of pressure, aimed at getting China to open its markets to FREE TRADE.

    "The EU offered to drop auto tariffs if we did the same. Trump declined."

    OK. That topic appears to have stalled. It looks like there was a deal to be had.
     
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    Judging from what Trump has said about trade deficits, the aim it is not free trade. The aim is maximizing US exports and minimizing imports. The "pressure" you are praising is more restricted trade . . . the opposite of freer trade.

    Trade is less free now than it was when Trump took office, and that shows now sign of changing.

    You can keep dodging this all you want, but the man actually claimed that we'd be a wealthier country if we didn't trade with anyone.

    You said his goal was more free trade. He was offered the chance for that. He turned it down.
     

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