"A riot is the language of the unheard.'

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    "A riot is the language of the unheard."
    - Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

    Today, it is vitally important that we understand this. It isn't up to society to cease the rioting, even if to me much of the rioting is immoral. The rioting is a result of the failure of government to understand the people it governs. It is a result of injustices perpetrated by government and ignored largely by many of society.

    An example of this is when Kapernick kneeled. It was in protest of a common thread of abuse of power by law enforcement, however Trump (and many of his followers) quickly pivoted it to "respect muh flag" ignoring the warning that if heeded may have avoided the rioting we have today.

    Now I am an anarchist (not in the sense of burn/loot/kill chaos but in the sense that I do not believe in government- I'll get into that in another post) so I am not sure if what I am asking is possible. But I'll ask anyway.

    It is incumbent upon leaders and law enforcement that they are sincere about reforming their systems that have failed society. This can not just be "We created a task force." and the standard fair of "action plans" that have been promised. It is obvious this has failed.

    I am an aging white man. I grew up very poor so I have experienced first hand a few of the disadvantages that minorities encounter in America, but I'd be a fool to state that I know all the struggles that they've encountered. My skin just isn't dark enough, to put it bluntly, so I'll never claim that. But what I can do is empathize with their experience. But it can not end there. The killing of black men by law enforcement is 2.5 times more likely to happen over me...because of the color of my skin. Police use of force us the 6th leading cause of death for young men of color.

    Incredibly... horrific.

    Being in the white majority, we have to pressure leaders to do the right thing. We have to insist upon a base reform of our political system and law enforcement . And when we see a plea like Kap's we can not dismiss it like so many people have.

    We have to elect leaders that are sympathetic to all, and I'm not just talking Trump because TBH Barak Obama was horrible as well. He politicized EVERYTHING. He wasn't a black man or a black leader he was a politician. (I know, that may upset some people but it is time for honesty.) There isn't a single politician out there that is worthy of representing ANY person at ANY color. Again, we can address that in a different post. These reformed must be top-down. It's the.only hope.

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    No comments?

    That figures.
     
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    Well thanks to the language of the unheard, we have a 8pm to 5am curfew.
     
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    You're a dollar short and decades late. The time for that was right at the peak, when human rights had been sorted, gay marriage was legalised, and there was reasonable prosperity for any prepared to work and sacrifice for it. IOW, the end of the 20thC. You should have built on that advantage, by keeping the focus on shared goals, unity, and nation strengthening.
     
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    Who are the unheard speaking to? The firefighter who spent his life serving the black community, who finally saved up the money to build his sports bars only to be burned down heard the voices real well. The black man who had his shop burned down heard the voices real well. Did deBlaisio's house get burned down? Did Pelosi's? Those are the ones who need to hear.
     
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    Sorry that other people's rights have inconveniences you.
     
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    They don't have the right to burn, loot and riot. I'd like to see the ones who are catch a bullet.
     
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    They don't, and I addressed that in my post. But that misses the point of Dr. King's quote and my post. This is a direct result of cops actions and society's avoiding addressing the issue. This is Trump and his followers taking Kapernick's peaceful protest of this very issue and turning it into "disredoect muh flag" and you deflecting fault to the rioters is avoiding the issue as well.

    So I don't give a **** about the riots. It's a symptom of the real problem.
     
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    Checking the constitution for the right to riot, and loot.
    Nope, nothing in there about that.
     
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    The rioters are this nations new domestic terrorists. They intend to terrorize the nation with their hate. It isn't unlike what has happened in other parts of the world. It just took a long time for democrats to foment it here. And now that they have, it really is time to take real steps against it.
     
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    I was there, at the end of the 20th century. We weren't anywhere near ready. Too much imbedded prejudice. It's my daughter's generation, who are in their 20s, whose much less restrained by these old world perspectives.
     
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    That's a position based upon mindless partisanship.
     
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    The Constitution stopped bring relevant 100 years ago.

    Also, see my response Niteowl above.
     
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    LOL.. It is the truth. These rioters are domestic terrorists. It is time we start treating them as such. For you, perhaps. your partisanship might blind you to this, but the rest of us clearly see. Your one liner isn't sufficient here. Folks can see through your attempt to gloss over the truth.
     
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    Gosh... And yet, it didn't. Freedom ad liberty aren't something that you get to arbitrarily ignore in this country. It might be where you actually are, but in the US, it isn't.
     
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    Wow. Please leave the USA (if you even live here which I doubt) and don't let the door hit you in the back.
     
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    No where near the truth. I have no partisanship. If I had my way, there would be no political parties.

    Try again.
     
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    I live on Ohio.

    Freedom and liberty isn't something that is derived from a piece of paper. Freedom and liberty had been systematically infringed upon by the ruling elite.
     
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    I live in Ohio.

    If you don't comprehend how the relevance of the Ideals of the founding of this country has been systematically attacked, really since the 1850s, but more potently since the early 1900's, then I feel pity for you.

    It was a fine idea, but the Great Experiment has failed.
     
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    I need to emphasize again:

    If you are focusing on the looting and rioting instead of the systematic infringement of right upon minorities, then that is akin to criticizing Kapernick for kneeling in protest of this very issue and following Trump's lead on "disrespectin' muh flag".

    It misses the point entirety.
     
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    A riot is the voice of the unheard because it’s the soul of the ignorant thug.
     
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    so what happens in your anarchy world when a huge mob decides it is going to take whatever it wants and burn the rest?
     
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    It's the voice of the voiceless ...

     
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    Your entire argument is not only flawed but illogical, void of facts and is wholly derived from a false premise.

    The idea they haven’t been heard is patently absurd. We have spent literally billions of dollars on inner cities and minority communities. We have ended practices like stop and frisk. We have ended ALL instances of explicit government sponsored discrimination against blacks (which is more than can be said for the explicit discrimination that occurs against white people today in order to BENEFIT minorities). We allow them a plethora of professional organizations whose stated goal is to benefit the black population whereas if any ONE of those groups existed for white people, the screams of racism would be deafening.

    Furthermore, the rate of black people being killed by cops when compared to our overall murder rate is infinitesimally small. When you compare it to the number of interactions our officers have with black people every day it barely exists. It’s IMPOSSIBLE to eliminate it completely but having a rate WELL below one tenth of one percent is almost as good as it can be.

    And what have we got for it? Black males make up less than 6% of our total population and they commit 50% of our total murder and 30% of our total rape while being overrepresented in literally EVERY category of violent crime that we keep track of. Whereas not ONE other race is overrepresented in even ONE category of violent crime much less every single one of them. Now, on TOP of all that, we now have to deal with them burning our businesses, public buildings, burning our homes and places of worship... looting what we’ve worked our entire lives to build as well as the very real threat of possibly being beaten to the brink of death.

    And why does it continue? Because the media and people like you continue to feed the black population a steady diet of victimhood while supporting and encouraging blaming white people for all of their communities ills. Until that ends and they start taking personal responsibility and accountability for their own lives it will only get worse.

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