A simple, sincere appeal for your opinion... Why should Conservatives stay in the Republican Party?

What my comment had to do with Trump is beyond me. Try to stay focused. There's a current backlash against globalization. We witnessed it here in the states, and in Europe.

I can tell you're one of those all or nothing kinda people. Capitalism is hardly perfect, it has negative consequences. There's no perfect system, that man has come up with.

 

Why don't progressives form their own party instead of taking over the democratic party? I think the far left should form their own party, the progressive party. They won't, because they know they wouldn't get anywhere? When you have nut cases like Maxine Waters, it's pretty evident their needs to be a change in the dem party.

 

'Progressing' to authoritarian control is not moving 'forward'.

 

I agree....but Trump will only exacerbate the problem, not curtail it. He has no strategy whatsoever, just lip service.

To tackle the problems we are facing with globalization requires intellect, because it's negative effects are not going away on it's own by just saying "Make America Great Again". No matter who we elect, they will have to approach it from a very intellectual level to make it work for us.

 

See how you just proved my point?! Intolerance of opinions that contradict Progressive dogma is the dominating characteristic of Progressivism. Thanks for providing an example.

 

Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt and Dwight Eisenhower were also progressives...

 

Calling Chavez and Castro, let alone the former Soviet Union, progressive is like calling the color brown, blue. That isn't an opinion, it's a fact.

 

And yet, that is precisely what Trump is doing under the Republican banner.

 

No they weren't. "Progressive" is a word that was created to hide from the word "liberal."

 

LOL, sure. The lib hysterical take.

 

Thanks for confirming you cannot deny it.

 

We are being shown that in fact the "Deep state intelligence community" and global corporate money interests own and control the government - both political parties. They control, entirely, foreign policy and are making it clear they will destroy Trump if he will not yield to them. They control Congress, as we saw in the "Sanctions" vote.

It comes down to the more fundamental question of does democracy have any actual relevancy to the federal government, other than some social issues like gay rights and blacks versus police stuff?

Between nearly 3,000 federal judges - each who claims they have total management and absolute supervisory superior status over the President, Congress, every elected official in the country - and everyone and everything else, the "intelligence community," who as Democrat Schumer confessed will destroy anyone including presidents who do not submit to their authority, the ownership of all media and press by the global elite super rich and mega international corporations, and that essentially all members of Congress are whores to the money of the super rich - plus much of government is by dictatorial power of agencies, is democracy anything but a facade to keep us peasant bickering furiously at each other over trivialities - when what we actually think and how we vote is 99% irrelevant to anything real?

The Republican Party is no more conservative than the Democratic Party is liberal. A few hot social issues and word games are played to create an appearance of a furious difference. But for virtually everything that matters, there is exactly no difference. None.

So the most dismal, but possibly true, response to your message is not to debate the worth of the Republican Party, but the more real question of does it even matter in the sense of what relevancy do voters and elections really have? No matter how people voted, the Cold War would continue. No matter how people voted, there would be no detente' with Russia. No matter how people voted, nothing would change that the government is now responsible for everyone's healthcare. No matter the vote, the debt spending and budget items would not change. Nothing will change on abortion. Essentially nothing would or will change, regardless of election outcomes.

But, I suppose, we can all get super excited and cheer and rant over whether an alleged 1500 transgendered men should get free SRS surgery in the military or be booted out. They'll let us peasants bicker and be diverted to that. They - the unnamed "them," will take care of everything else.

The corporate propaganda machinery of the media and press they own will tell us what to bicker about today. They will tell us what matters and tell each one of us which side to take. One side will be called conservative and Republican. The other side will be called liberal/progressive and Democrat. A cop shot a black guy - that's today's topic. Everyone on the Republican side is for the cop. Everyone on the Democrat side is for the black guy. That's the sole issue today. Tomorrow? The sole topic will be someone talked to a Russian in 2011. Everyone on the Republican side is to say "so what?" Everyone on the Democrat side is to rant "collusion!" Maybe the day after someone has a secret video in a abortion clinic.That will be the one topic of that day for us peasant to rant, sob and pray about. If luck, there will be some natural disaster somewhere to take care of the next day or two of diversion so we all can watch a flood in some region a thousands miles away of no effect on our lives nor anything we can do about it - just watch and talk about it.

They keep it simple for us peasants. One big topic per day. A couple lesser topics maybe. One of two sides to be on - preassigned depending on which of 2 teams you are on.

Does any rational person really think the 2018 elections could even possibly cause any significant change on anything? Or is it just picking which of two sides of a football game you only watch that is what elections are about? Much ado about nothing?

 

Yes, and today's "Progressives" defend the neocon policies of yesterday.

 

The only hope left for this country is for a strong, moderate party to emerge from the largest voting block - independents. Disenfranchised Reps and Dems should ally with Independents and take back the country, if that is still possible.

I have little hope that the country can be salvaged but that is one possible path.

There is a core problem that 30-40% of Americans who voted don't believe in America values or Constitutional principles. This is an anti-American insurgency. This is a war.

 

Why the increase in the libertarian wing of the Republican party and the middle class rejection of progressive policies?

 

It's already zero.

 

Then you're not a conservative.

 

I tend to value choice over mandating someone buy something because 35% or less of the population feel warm and fuzzy over the consumption of a god that doesn't directly benefit those that would choose not to but it if able.

 

Franklin, Jefferson, Lincoln, Roosevelt and Eisenhower were all liberals too. Liberals wanted to break away from the King of England, Conservatives called them traitors and called for them to be hung. Liberals were for ending slavery. Conservatives were for maintaining the status quo. Liberals like Teddy Roosevelt were for creating anti-trust laws to keep a few robber barons from controlling our entire economy and preserving our land from being pillaged by lumber barons and mining companies. Liberals like Eisenhower were in favor of and instrumental in enacting huge public works projects like our Interstate Highway system and warned us about the undo influence of the military industrial complex. Liberals or progressives whatever you want to call them are responsible for taking this country from a place where only white, land owning males were allowed to vote to where we are now. Without Liberals and Progressives we might still be a backward colony of ignorant bigoted slave owning scumbags.

 

Are you asking for suggestions LOL

 

Excellent post!

In essence those who espouse "conservatism" are faced with dealing with the vulgarian BLOTUS and his extremist alt right version of what they want to "conserve" of the past! That is not a choice, that is a dilemma, because his version of the past is everything that was wrong with the past that he, and the extremist alt right, want to impose on the future.

 

Lots of people would choose not to buy auto insurance if that were a choice

If I have a choice, I would buy medical insurance after I knew that I was going to be sick. In this case young healthy people mostly think they're not going to get sick..... until they happen to get old

 

Lol.... Lincoln and FDR, maybe. Franklin, Jefferson, and Ike being labeled progressives is laughable.

 

Franklin and Jefferson were liberals. They rebelled against the status quo and told the King of England to go screw himself. The conservatives of the day were appalled and called for them to be hung. Eisenhower was in favor of spending money on huge public works projects and cutting the overbloated military budgets. He warned us about the phony conservative war profiteering scumbags in his last address to us as POTUS. They were all liberals by today's standards.

 

Amen