Well, just since YOUR Cain MURDERED YOUR Abel.... glad to help ! Your idea that there hasn't been murder since humans began is ludicrous..... ...and , of course, you couldn't address the post of mine you quoted: No his logic isn't flawed, your "facts" are. As you have been told many times, there are laws against things like murder and theft because without them society would be in chaos. Abortion does not cause chaos...and if one is not a nosy, controlling fanatic one is not bothered at all by abortions.
No. Actually, no. Sociopathy need not be exampled or learned. Empathy, sympathy, charity and compassion need to be learned. If one does not learn them, that one remains a sociopath.
Any evil you can imagine has been, at times, in places, perfectly legal. Any good you can imagine has been, at times, in places, completely illegal Legal and illegal are no measure of murder or justifiable homicide. See Nuremberg
Without human care, some millennials won't survive either. That is why they are "entitled" to stay on Mommy's and Daddy's healthcare until 26. Perhaps we should extend choice until the age of 26.
That's why abortion laws are stupid. There should be none. Abortion is a medical procedure, is neither good nor bad, affects no one but the woman. Abortion laws are simply to attempt to control and dehumanize women.
They won't be entitled much longer...... ...and millennials won't be allowed to use another person's body to sustain their lives without consent either....
Hilarious, you imagine that I think there haven't been murders since the beginning of man. You are HILARIOUS! His logic is flawed as is yours. Whether or not a law can be prosecuted at 100% is not a reason to reject it. It isn't even a factor. Whether or not we want to condone or reject that behavior as a society is the only factor.
Yup, and most people condone women having the right to their own bodies and most people want abortion legal.....
Historically, pregnancy is the single most dangerous thing a woman can do. Complications of pregnancy and/or delivery has killed more women than any other non-privation or non-violent cause. Historically, pregnancy is extremely dangerous for mothers.
You might want to post that in your other thread where someone is claiming women suffer no harm from pregnancy.....
Abortion is not murder. You have made a classic Straw Man argument. Next? That child is born and not dependent solely on the mothers body for survival... you have argued ANOTHER STRAW MAN. Next>
Let's see if you can follow the lack of logic in your post, shall we? Homicide and Murder are two different things.
No. If we are to take your argument to its logical origin then the kid would be born in a vacuum with no experience or interaction with anything and die. What we learn while growing is what defines us... some kids my become sociopaths. Some kids will not. Place all newborns in their own bank vault with no light and no people... some will explore and learn and prosper due to their imagination.
WRONG!!! I was merely pointing out that difficulty in prosecution is not a determining factor in whether or not something should be illegal. You should read more, or better. WRONG again. Do you even have the faintest clue what a straw man argument is? I don't think you do. - - - Updated - - - WRONG AGAIN!!!! Homicide and murder can be the same thing, as murder is a type of homicide. Since murder is a type of homicide, they logically cannot be said to be two different things. FAIL! - - - Updated - - - Nah most people oppose wanton homicide with no oversight.
The below: ...Does not relate to abortion. Murder has always pretty much been illegal everywhere. Abortion is not legally murder. Uh... yeah. A straw man argument is one that misrepresents a position in order to make it appear weaker than it actually is, refutes this misrepresentation of the position, and then concludes that the real position has been refuted. This, of course, is a fallacy, because the position that has been claimed to be refuted is different to that which has actually been refuted; the real target of the argument is untouched by it. http://www.logicalfallacies.info/ambiguity/straw-man/ You misrepresented the original argument of killing an UNBORN HUMAN BEING by talking about killing a BORN HUMAN BEING. You argue that killing the born human being is murder and that this means killing human beings is murder and that translates to the unborn human being being murdered. This is about as classic and basic as a Straw Man can get. Homicide is only murder when that homicide legally qualifies as murder. Abortion is not murder. Your argument is crap. Yeah... your Straw Man's are... - - - Updated - - - His argument is about as incorrect as it can get...
Yes, I agree ""most people oppose wanton homicide with no oversight.""" But that has nothing to do with abortion which is still legal
No one "becomes" a sociopath. We are all born sociopaths. Compassion, sympathy, empathy and charity must be learned from example.
I'm starting to pay attention to your premise.......because people like Bush, Jr. and Trump, who are both sociopaths, were spoiled , undisciplined children whose parents had no sympathy, empathy or charity so they could hardly pass it down..... Did you know Bush's mother Barbara played around of golf the day after her daughter died...they didn't end their vacation and didn't tell little George his sister died until they came home... very sick people...,
Slavery happened every day, till it was recognized for the atrocity it is. I remain hopeful. - - - Updated - - - Actually neither of those two are sociopaths. Bush Jr. was far more compassionate and caring than Obama, Pelosi, Hillary, Harry Reid, or any other Democrat I have seen.
But that's just your opinion not substantiated by any facts . And you can "remain hopeful" but since abortion has been around for thousands of years and hasn't stopped even when illegal your "hopeful" isn't worth much
The wise are able to agree, or disagree, with ideas rather than people. Comparing the best intentions of some to the less-than-best intentions of others beggars your argument. It compares 'apples to oranges'. It frames a context to suit a pretext to hide a subtext.
