A Universe from Nothing

Yes, we hear again again and again that "nothing comes from nothing".

Usually from people who have never picked up a physics text book, let alone read a Wikipedia article on the subject.

A very interesting video from Lawrence Krauss, "A Universe from Nothing".
http://youtu.be/7ImvlS8PLIo

A universe can very well come from "nothing", however "nothing" is anything but nothing.

 

And yet no explanation as to where that "nothing which is anything but nothing" came from.

 

Watch the video and educate yourself.

 

I stopped watching as soon as I saw Richard Dawkins rear his ugly head.

It's a moot point anyway, because no matter how far back you can trace the origin of the universe, you'll still be left with no explanation as to what caused that original condition. And your explanation is less beneficial to society than mine.

 

Which is not evidence for your god as your god is not the default position.

 

It's not evidence that there is no god either.

 

A lot of open-minded people (such as moi) don't claim it as evidence of God, but we do say it's not possible to explain it, so to claim there is no God is actually patently stupid, because no one knows (nor will ever know in this world) what force fueled life. In fact it makes a hell of a lot more sense to to admit there was a Genesis, and you may as well call it God, because nothing is derived from a void.

 

... and your cop out is a God that requires a God to create it and so on.

Oh wait, God is eternal.

The universe can be as well.

 

Exactly.

 

Then what made your god?

 

There is no evidence of any gods, that's the point. NONE. And yet time and time again the religious pretend that's actually evidence that there is.

 

I suggest watching the video before posting on the subject again.

 

You don't comprehend too well.

My God is your god, if God even exists. Have a nice day.

 

And an attempt is made to dodge. So typical of those without an answer.

 

My point would be the same regardless - no matter what you call the original condition, wheter it be "nothing" or a "nothing which is anything but nothing", no explanation for it exists.

 

Wow are you blind. You shouldn't even bother attempting to discuss the great mysteries of life. Your mind is shallow and inept. Sadly, a typical atheist.

 

Watch the video or read a book on the subject..

Energy exists in nothing.

 

Keep dodging.

 

Who created the energy?

 

I do enjoy Krauss, the main point he's trying to make imo, is that "nothing" is not a scientific term. It's a philosophical concept, and no one has ever been able to define what "nothing" actually is, other than it's "something from which nothing can be created, other than by God", and that it doesn't actually have any relevance to physics. So the logic which goes along the lines, there had to be nothing before there was something, nothing can come from nothing, therefore god must have created something, is meaningless because it assumes that "nothing", (which can only be defined as a state from which only God can create something), is a false premise and irrelevant to the creation of the Universe.

 

Why does there need to be a creator? How can the energy not simply be eternal?

That is far simpler that an infinite number of Watchmaker's Watchmakers.

 

Not scientific. You're making assumptions.

 

Not really assumption, but the Argument from Ignorance.

A logical fallacy, as he is well aware.

 

I have held the view for quite a while that something and nothing are the same thing.

If you reach the speed of light time stops. If you fall into a black hole time stops. Opposite ends of the light spectrum with the same result.

In the begining was the Word...in this I agree with the Bible...the word was silence...the loudest sound there is.

Just my own personal insanity. Can you divide zero ???...it must be possible.

 

Just as "there is no god" is an argument from ignorance too.