A word about Nancy as she steps down from leadership.

They intimidate insecure men.

 

We seem to have become a society that vilifies strength in the party we oppose. We shall get to see how well McCarthy can corral his party and, perhaps then, they will understand the importance of a strong leader.

 

Just keep making excuses and going ...... But buhtt Twumpfff... Enjoy your day

 

The right does not despise Pelosi for her strength, rather, they despise her for her methods and actions.

Most people from both sides of the aisle would acknowledge that this very same time period has been amongst the most politically polarized and divisive era's in our nation's history.

As Speaker of the House, surely she bears a large share of that blame. As one of the "most consequential politicians of the last 15 years", why should we praise her for playing a giant role in the polarization of this country that just so happens to coincide with her leadership? She is not known for reaching across the aisle to garner the votes needed to pass legislation, rather she is known for twisting the arms of her own caucus to ensure there are not any defectors. That is not an example of a great statesman, rather it is an example of a bully that is effective at keeping her people in line. She is far more akin to Herman Goering than she is to Thomas Jefferson.

This lady did not just die and thus is deserving of paying her some sort of final respect. She is not even retiring as a House member. The only thing she has done is decline to seek a leadership role.

Good riddance to her. She is a major figurehead in the lack of civility that currently exists in politics.

 

How?

 

As you said, " she is one of the most consequential politicians of the last 15 years."

With those being your words, I find it hard to rationalize why "one of the most consequential politicians of the last 15 years" shouldering a large part of the blame for the deterioration in civility and subsequent polarization during her reign is somehow a mystery to you. You can point to the 4 Presidents during that time and they certainly shoulder some of the blame, but one constant in the upper echelon of government during that time period is HER. Of course she bears a large share of that blame.

She is not known as someone who reaches across the aisle to get legislation passed. She is known for using fear to keep her own people in line, and in that aim she has been very effective. Her methods are little more than tribalism, and tribalism is a pretty accurate description of the dysfunction that exists on all sides now in Washington. She is an ENORMOUS part of that development. To pretend otherwise is to deny reality.

 

In some instances, more, in other instances less. It depends, there no one answer. It’s like issues or problems we have, some I support the Republicans on and oppose them on others. Same for the Democrats, I’ll support them on some and oppose them on others. More or less government depends on what we’re talking about.

This one size fits all approach doesn’t work. That’s the biggest problem with government and the legislation they pass. What works in New York may not work so good in Georgia or North Dakota. What works in Nevada may not suit those in Kansas or Kentucky.

 

That is you opinion, and one to which you are entitled. I see it very differently. In today's politics, its important to have everyone 'on board'. That, as we've seen with Manchin and Sinema, required deft negotiating skills. Yes, she can be tough - but in a man, we'd admire that.

The idea that she is responsible for the deterioration and polarization is not something to which I can agree. What I will admit to is the fact that she was a target for resentment and hate. Both things stemming from her skills and successes in her role.

 

The Committee report was a both a joke and a political smear. Please note that no CIA personnel were interviewed by the Committee. A crushing refutation of the Committee's report can be found here.

Rebuttal: The CIA Responds to the Senate Intelligence ...
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And back to the point: The efficacy of enhanced interrogation is not the topic; Pelosi's flip-flop is.

 

Lets not forget that I was replying to you saying "We seem to have become a society that vilifies strength in the party we oppose. "

To be clear, my opinion is NOT based on villifying strength in the party I oppose. This is not about strength. It is about the person and their methods. Hitler was strong too, that does not mean that my dislike of him is due to his strength.

You dont get to tell the other side why they do not like her. You are not the best person to make that determination. If you want to know why the other side feels as they do, ask them. Putting words into our mouths accomplishes nothing.

 

PARTY OF YOUTH UPDATE: Nancy Pelosi Embodied America’s Gerontocracy Problem.

Bitter Clingers To Power:
'She was the beneficiary of a political system that limits opportunities for new ideas and new faces to rise.'



'America is ruled by a group of leaders who likely would have been forced into retirement long ago in a more normal profession.'

'Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump were the oldest pair of major party presidential nominees in American history—until four years later when now-President Joe Biden and Trump took over the title.'

'Biden, who is 80 years old, and Trump, 76, look young compared to the old folks who have been running the House Democrat caucus for the past few decades. Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (D–Calif.) is 82, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D–Md.) is 83, and Democratic Whip James Clyburn (D–S.C.), the third in command, is 82. All three have, thankfully, announced their intention not to seek reelection to the top leadership positions when the new session of Congress begins in January.'

'For the past several years, Congress has been unable to enact any substantial policy without the support of several people born during the Roosevelt administration. They're so old that rolling your eyes and dismissing them as "boomers" is inaccurate.' They are even older than Boomers.

They often seem confused by even email, lost when it comes to describing social media. 'Congress is increasingly unrepresentative of the country it supposedly runs. The average American is now a full two decades younger than the average member of Congress—who, at age 59, is a full two decades younger than the president and outgoing speaker of the House.'

Ridiculous.

 

Good argument for term limits

 

We have them.

 

Not ones that matter or Washington wouldn't be a gerontocracy.

 

You're right - I shouldn't be putting words into the mouths of others. I was giving my observation, saying we SEEM to have a society that vilifies strength in the party we oppose. That is what I see, it is my opinion. But I won't speak for you.

 

Let’s add something to her reputation that many are forgetting. The three highest deficits in history was all under her watch and the democrat controlled purse

 

A stupid electorate doesn’t change the fact that we can have an entirely new House every two years.

 

We can does not change the fact that about the only time anyone ever loses a seat is when they die. Although gi en the bent of the current Democratic party being dead may not be a qualifier.

 

Whose fault is that? Shouldn’t Congress represent the people? If people want the same person for 50 years, that’s what they want.

 

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I don't think most have any idea who there voting for I think they vote for the party mom and dad voted for without any regard to whether the party changed in the last fifty years.

 

I completely agree. It’s what needs to happen though. Congress critters will never vote themselves out of a job. We need education.

 

I wish it was that simple. Education is a force multiplier for character bad character with an education means the person is more dangerous

 

Our education sucks. In the 70s and 80s, I had to pass both state and federal constitution tests, or I could not graduate Jr High, or HS.

I don’t have the document memorized, but I have an excellent grasp of how it’s supposed to work.

Why is this no longer taught? We need to get the federal government back in its constitutional box.
L especially about education. The states should get together and ask SCOTUS for a ruling.

 

On that I whole heartedly concur the creeping federalization of damn near everything in American life has to end. Oh and they stopped teaching that because the powers that be wish to be the powers that are and always will be and that never ends well

 

As emotionally pleasing as it was to witness Nancy making such a powerful, visual statement rebuking Trump's lies, I thought it was unfortunate to see her lower herself to his level in a moment of anger. But as I've said repeatedly, it's not really the subject of the thread.