Abbott in La La Land again

• The claim: Tony Abbott says emissions trading schemes are being discarded around the world, not adopted
• The verdict: While there is uncertainty in the international carbon pricing market and global agreements are weak and non-binding, individual nations and sub-national regions are increasingly creating carbon trading schemes of their own.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-09/tony-abbott-emissions-trading-around-the-world-fact-check/5559430

 

DV,
climate change and showing some action to combat it is not part of the mans brain, who lives in a fairy tale time with knights and Dames in the 18th century.
I am currently in Europe, and stunt how much efforts the Europeans put into renewables and a sustainable way of life.
I am sorry to say, but Abbott is trying to turn the clock back, which will cause us to lose out not only on an international level, but in all walks of life.
Regards

 

Yes I look at the troglodytes, Abbott et al, Mario, Aussie, Garry, Adultmale, Dumb, etc. I wonder where mankind would be today if we listened to the trogs. I look back at all the great science that has had it's critics. Once, a very prominent scientist said that the steam engine train would be unsuitable for human transport as a human cannot survive the speeds it is predicted that these engines may obtain.

Throughout history, the trogs have done their best to maintain what they understand (very little). Anything new and radical is a no no. woe is me, the end of the world as we know it. LMAO thankfully the trogs are usually outnumbered, although they have bigger mouths and louder voices, most people see them as the ignorant fools they are.

 

"Once, a very prominent scientist said that the steam engine train would be unsuitable for human transport as a human cannot survive the speeds it is predicted that these engines may obtain." In it`s time, that particular misconception was blindly followed by a large portion of the unwashed and gullible of the day. Simple folk are easily led.

 

No need for an ETS or carbon tax - strengthen the relevant property rights and people will solve disputes themselves. Make it easy to start a class action lawsuit for air pollution, transfer as much of the environment as possible from government to private hands.

If you can show an injury to yourself or your property I have no problem whatsoever with you seeking compensation, but have no interest in a blanket ban or tax.

 

Yes like you and the others. Thankfully, most people listened to the other scientists and engineers and the steam engine changed the world.

 

And no Minister for Science and the CSIRO being gutted. Seriously, this fed government is not good for our country. Roll on the next election.

 

Doesn't take a genius to understand this punch drunk clown Abbott is living in the 18th century, and wants us all living their too.

 

I'm not an abbot fan but how could carbon buying work? If you give heaps of money to poor countries they industrialise more and then make more carbon.

 

That too. IMHO, if anyone professes to have any concern for global environmental health, without making the human population explosion their number one prioty, they are either fraudulent, or completely ignorant.

 

Can you post up your name and identity so we can be sure to avoid you?

 

What issue do you take with what I've said?

 

Easy there. I meant no harm. Just want no trouble sir.

 

Why can we not leave it to subnational jurisdictions then? Victoria, the ACT, Tas and NSW can have their pricing agreement while WA, SA, and the NT can reform the torts system to allow easy access to compensation from injury caused by pollution. To each their own.

 

First: It is an international problem, not a local one...

Secondly; The one who can afford the better lawyer, wins. That are the ones which pollute most....

The world is reacting on those problems, we cannot duck out, because our PM reckons, to do nothing is best....

Regards

 

Which is why we allow the only sort of lawsuit that can possibly be effective when it comes to pollution - a class action suit.

If they can argue better than you (including by hiring others to argue for them) then that's your problem.

 

Exactly ... I had thought the world had grown up, that we were more intelligent then to put ideology before the survival of the human race, before humanity, before common sense, but it appears we haven't. We seem to think we have to stick to some old ideals, ideals that were first written so long ago that the authors would have no idea of the world today. Ideals that I am sure the authors themselves would agree need a lot of modification to fit today's world.

I see it here on a daily basis, reasonably intelligent people that would rather stick to an ideology than common sense. Pollution, our air, water and soil are all absolutely necessary for the continuance of life as we know it on this planet. Any reasonable person will tell you, outside of discovering some so far unknown method of transport or propulsion, we are stuck with this planet for at least the next 100 years. That's our lifetime, and those of our children, our grand children, our great grand children etc.

Any reasonable person would tell you the less rubbish we pump into our air, land and water has to be better for the long term survival of our planet. A tax on CO2 is just a small part in that which we must do if we are to make a difference. Now I hate taxes as much as the next, but I have no problem paying my own way and paying tax is doing that. I have no problem contributing to others, who for what ever reason cannot provide for themselves, without prejudice, without judgment, for I believe, if you have not walked in another's shoes, then you have no right to judge them. This though does not include judgment on common law, as we all really know right from wrong.

Any reasonable person will know that the preservation of this planets few remaining natural forests such as the Amazon and Congo, New Guinea etc is imperative not only for the flora and fauna, for our children and their children. But for their role in the ecology of the planet. Any sensible person will say that it is not just the responsibility of the natives to keep these pristine, but that of the world, especially since it is us that want to see their destruction, or at least to get what we can from them.

Last night I watched the CEO of KMart talking about the good things they are doing. He looked at the workers conditions overseas, he looked at the quality of the products. All looked good, but they missed the biggest problem ... now you are all going to say .. yes, the loss of jobs, well that is not the problem.

He went on to say that a bra which once cost $20 is now $3, and as good if not better quality. He says it is Australian deigned and tested. He said that the workers are all of age and paid reasonably well. They get all meals and even accommodation included. Now that's all good ... but he went on to say ...

We now sell ten times the clothes etc because people can afford to buy more. What about ten times the cotton, ten times the land usage, ten times the water, ten time the factories, ten times the cardboard boxes and plastic wrapping, ten times the transport, ten times the crap we don't really need that many bras girls do we?

If your going to get yourself fit and healthy, do we pick just one thing to fix. Do we say, well I want to get healthy, so I will just give up smoking, or just cut down the sugar I consume, or just the alcohol, or we will just get enough rest, or just do exercise to one leg?

No, to get healthy we give up smoking, cut back on sugar, carbs and fats, watch the alcohol, take more breaks and do some exercise, or at least that is what we should do.

Same with our planets health, let's stop now before it gets too sick, maybe terminal.

The only thing I am asking of you is to think about it, not an ideology.

 

You're rambling DV. Go and make yourself a nice cup of tea and have a quite sit down for awhile.

 

of course troglodytes will have trouble understanding this

 

DV,
excellent post above.
Abbott has to go, with his out of touch and out of time mindset he will ruin the little which is left.
I met some interesting people here in southern Europe, people who look at boat people, nuclear power, renewable energy, annual growth rate and other subjects in very different ways.
Especially the word *sustainable* has a very different meaning to what we normally associate it with.

Hey, despite all those idiots running our countries, the world is a beautiful place, and if the people gain more momentum, the world will become an even more beautiful place,
cheerio

 

We had all sorts of subsidies provided by the Howard government for installing solar power but Krudd/Juliar took them all away.

 

Carbon trading does nothing to reduce carbon so it is basically a trading scheme to make the traders rich.

 

Have you not missed the biggest ideology of them all - over population? More people, means more resources being used. How do you stop or reduce resources being used and consumed without reducing the population?

 

Sorry mate,
but that is one of the most tupidest comments I read in a while. Make carbon emission expensive, and people are avoiding them, as private persons or as enterprises. It works everywhere, in all parts of the world.....
Cheerio

 

Time to vote for the Greens, don't you think?
Regards