Abortion and poverty

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, having sex has natural consequences. Pushing those consequences onto someone else is a crime.

    "I'm going to kill because I don't want to deal with the consequences of my own actions"

    Now, people are free to minimize the probability of those consequences from happening as much as possible. BC can be very very effective if used properly.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If a woman is not going to adequate lengths to use BC and is sexually active, she should be checking in at an ultrasound clinic every 2 weeks to make sure there's not a pregnancy developing in there.

    It would be unfair to wait till she found out at 12 weeks to do something about it.
     
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  3. Bowerbird

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    Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy
     
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    If used properly

    And what is the most affordable form of contraception?

    And who is responsible for its correct use?
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If she's checking in to an ultrasound facility every 2 weeks.

    It's definitely not abortion.
     
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  6. Bowerbird

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    That makes no logical sense!
     
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    Wha???

    Who,is,doing that?
     
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  8. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The woman, obviously.

    She's the one who's going to have to be carrying a pregnancy if something goes wrong.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's what they should do, if they're not willing or capable of properly using birth control and insist on sexual activity.

    They KNOW something could go wrong. Shouldn't they be constantly checking for it?
    Or do you propound they should wait until later when they realize something is obviously amiss, which could be as late as 12 weeks? (sometimes MUCH later, if the woman is grossly obese)
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh, by the way, there are plenty of Pro-Life ultrasound vans offering free transvaginal ultrasounds, so don't tell me the woman can't afford it.
     
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    And who is going to pay for that?

    Are you aware that there are ways far less invasive than ultrasound to test for pregnancy? In fact insisting on young women having second weekly vaginal ultrasounds, which they have not consented to, how is that ethically different from rape?
     
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    She basically can - but the overwhelming reasons for delay in abortion is lack of access. If you have an issue with abortions at 12 weeks I would increase access to "medical" abortions
     
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    Are there - exactly then how many are there in the USA? IS there one in every neighbourhood?
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And what if someday they market an affordable transvaginal probe that every woman can keep in her toiletries shelf, along with her tampons & contraceptive pills?
    That day may not be too far off.
    I wouldn't be surprised if it involves some little cheap attachment to a cell phone.

    It looks like they're already working on something like that right now:
    https://newatlas.com/butterfly-iq-smartphone-ultrasound/51962/

    https://www.apartmenttherapy.com/remember-when-tom-cruise-84766
     
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    Why would you NEED such a thing? There are already pregnancy test kits
     
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    And one time...in band camp.....someone had a nanobot with cameras and put it Jennys panties so everyone watched her snatch around the fire while we sang Cooch songs.
     
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    WHO is this "someone else" that you think a woman is "pushing those consequences" on to??


    Ya, so?

    There's no law that says yu have to deal with the consequences of your own actions if you haven't broken the law.

    It still fails and only the most expensive works the best.

    AND NO one is obliged to use it.
     
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    :) SO TYPICAL OF ANTI-CHOICERS.. THEY SEEM TO HAVE TO MAKE THINGS UP, PUT WORDS IN OTHER'S MOUTHS, BECAISE THEY HAVE NOTHING ELSE !
     
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    Why?

    Who is it unfair to? You? LOL!
     
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    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    Doesn't matter if she can afford it or not, she doesn't have to do it :) :)
     
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    YUP! The FATHER ISN'T...

    See how that works....;)
     
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    I'm sure to the left it doesn't.

    Just like no one forces you to smoke cigarettes, no one forces you to get pregnant either.

    Both are personal responsibility issues.
     
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    Ye, and when a woman gets pregnant it's her PERSONAL responsibility....it's not a PUBLIC responsibility....it isn't someone else's responsibility....other's should butt out :)
     
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    Good.

    I'm glad we agree that people who get pregnant are 100% personally responsible for it.

    Time to defund the abortion machine.

    You want an abortion, pay for it yourself.
     
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