The life of the mother is paramount. I have stories too. You have an ignorant fantasy that the bulk of abortions are these rare exceptions. Many many have multiple abortions. Margaret Sanger achieved her goal as far as reducing the black population in America.
How do you feel about aborting because ultra sound showed the baby to be a boy and you wanted a girl?
Late term abortions are rare! Healthy women with healthy fetuses so not have abortions. I don’t like that but it’s her decision. I have worked at an abortion center and never saw that
I do not think there are many who are comfortable with late term abortion - sans in a circumstance where the mother's life is at risk or in the cases like the one that Renee presented. Late term abortions are very rare .. and in general I do not have much sympathy for a woman who decides to have an abortion 7 months after she is pregnant. What about early term ? or at or near conception such as the morning after pill ?
Yes, and that was wrong and corrected since they were BORN persons and should've had rights all along. Slaves? Wanna talk about slaves ? THEY were forced to breed and give birth EXACTLY like Anti-Choicers want women to do...they want slave status for women.
Ahh, the same tactic used by Nazis to dehumanize Jews, the use of words. All of these things are human beings: Septuagenarian, octogenarian, adult, teenager, boy, girl, child, infant, toddler, baby, fetus, zygote..... The stage of development that we are in does not change the fact that we are human beings. Abortion is the cold blooded murder of a human being. That is a scientific fact. You are a science-denier
...and you think using those terms "dehumanizes" them??? !! What? Just two more terms for the human life cycle. NO one calls a fetus a fetus to dehumanize it anymore than calling a teenager a teenager dehumanizes them....you seem confused. Oh, do show the science that says that..... Hilarious, calling things by their correct names is denying science? No, when someone insists that a fetus is a baby (which is like demanding it be called a teenager) THEY are denying science.
That's not what I asked.....I wanted you to prove your statement that science says abortion is murder and obviously you can't do that
We aren’t talking about born people. You are accusing us of dehumanizing something that isn’t a human yet. I think a better comparison is what Hitler did when he said Jews were infesting the country and that is exactly what trump has called Immigrants ...infestations If you think a zygote is a human being, then remove it and show me how it is a person. Something that you can’t even see without a microscope is not a person anymore than an acorn is a tree. You seem to have a problem with the word “potential”
Abortion is a homicide, deal with it Actually, it's not all that simple. Murder is when you kill a viable living person. The justices involved in the Roe vs Wade decision had to address that question: "When does a fetus become viable?" It's true that a fetus has living cells from conception, but there's a difference between having living cells and developing tissues and being capable of sustaining itself as a healthy, living organism separate from it's mother's womb. The justices noted that, and came up with an incredibly thoughtful, workable solution. That decision has stood the test of time and constant, redundant attacks from Pro-Lifers, both legal and personal. Until a fetus is viable, it's actually wholly dependent upon it's mother for life. It's literally a "part" of the mother's body as if it were an organ or tissue. It cannot be "murdered" until it's capable of sustaining its own life. But there is a further level of this debate that needs discussion. No living person is a physical being only. We all have what religions refer to as a "soul." Our soul isn't born at conception. Nor is it born when its infant body is. The soul is both ageless and deathless, and comes to the body at any time during gestation from a non-physical dimension. The soul is not only unaffected by the abortion itself, but often can (and does) decide to come back later into another pregnancy of the same mother at a later date. When that aspect of pregnancy and abortion is considered, it broadens the choices we have in dealing with it.
I agree with that. There's nothing wrong with believing that but it has more to do with religion than science and law when it comes to abortion. Not everyone believes there's a soul.
Yes, you are right. For most of my life I didn't either. But after my father died I decided to do a personal research project to see if any evidence did actually exist regarding an afterlife. Honestly, I didn't believe at that time, it did. But I quickly found convincing evidence I was wrong. It came in the form of Near Death Experiences (NDEs). I actually had the opportunity on several occasions to personally interview several people who had experienced NDEs, and their honesty and integrity convinced me not only that our consciousness survives the death of the physical body, but that there is a dimension of existence that has absolutely nothing physical in it, but it's where our consciousness resides when we're not here temporarily inhabiting a physical body. The soul is not an infant consciousness. It's quite mature, and comes repeatedly to this physical world, lifetime after lifetime, to experience this reality and learn from that experience. But the body we inhabit temporarily isn't our real selves. Our soul is. And it continues to experience various lives over time from as many aspects as possible, learning new lessons and growing and maturing along the way. The evidence is out there. We just need to be willing to become aware of it. Once we do, it expands our consciousness and our personal view of reality. I am not religious. This project was more from a scientific than a religious perspective. Religion is deeply rooted in physical reality. The soul visits physical reality, but comes from & resides in a non-physical one. The two realities are completely different, though connected in ways that challenge the imagination. We are all more than we think we are. There's much much more.
Yes, but if we're not aware of it then it doesn't do us much good and it still has nothing to do with abortion. And I believe near death experiences are just our brain's chemicals going goofy when death' s near....it's not an insight into anything...no more than dreams are.....but it's a nice thought.
Actually, I've talked to NDErs who described what their relatives were wearing and quoted portions of their discussions in the hospital waiting room while the patient him/her self were "dead." Those observations were later verified by the relatives themselves. I've also talked with NDErs who recalled activities in the surgical room, surgical tools used in their resuscitation, and even jokes made by doctors & nurses during the time they were surgically dead. Those were also verified later by doctors & surgical staff. That can't be the result of "chemicals going goofy" during physical dying process. One lady flew upward thru the hospital walls and outside above the hospital roof while she was out of body, and remembered a single tennis shoe on the ledge of the hospital roof as she flew thru it. She later described that shoe to a hospital nurse when she was revived after surgery. That nurse made the attempt to check out the story and found the shoe exactly where the waking surgery patient described, and was precisely like that patient described. No one could have seen the shoe from outside the building on the ground. The nurse had a hard time retrieving it due to it's precarious position on the building's edge. But it was EXACTLY as described by the waking patient. That can't be explained by "goofy chemicals" either. The evidence for life after physical death is massive & growing daily. It deserves a fair hearing, for its message affects us all.
Even if those stories were true I still don't get what NDE's contribute. So there's a life after death, it hardly matters until you die... Obviously the people who "heard " things after they "died" weren't really dead...NO one comes back from dead. ....and we are off topic.
The body of the NDEr was in surgery with the medical instruments showing a non-functioning, dead body, surrounded by doctors & nurses desperately trying to revive him/her. The soul of that person was viewing the relatives in the waiting room of the hospital--a completely different location. How does your comment that "they weren't really dead" apply here? You say, "NO one comes back from dead." Every NDEr has done exactly that. The term "Near Death Experience" was coined before the experience was fully researched or understood. Today that's no longer the case, but the term stuck. A NEAR Death Experience by name is actually a SHORT TERM DEATH EXPERIENCE in reality. Your attitude that if "there's life after death, it hardly matters until you die..." is valid for anyone choosing to see it that way. I never have. I am curious about why we're here, and how knowing we don't actually die along with our physical bodies might affect how we behave and what we seek to accomplish here on Earth while we're here. NDEs certainly affect those who experience them. They change lives. . .dramatically. For me, knowing about the ongoing relationship between the physical & spiritual worlds is BIG news. For me, it's interesting & exciting, and I want to know as much as possible about it. It's something that we're all a part of. . .active participants in. It's something that's been an ongoing partnership since human life began, and possibly since life itself began. So, for me, it matters a lot while I'm still here in this temporary physical place. It'll continue being important when I'm not.
Oh , what a sixth grade level "brag".....and you can't even address those inconvenient posts so I doubt your history skills are too deep.
The near death experience is not death..it is usually a chemical breakdown that causes all kinds of reactions including hallucinations If it makes you feel better to believe the soul lives on, then so be it.
