Abortion is a Homicide

A considerable number of attempts are unsuccessful.

 

Of course not, and that's the point. The legislature could call a cat a dog for the purpose of attacks against mail carriers if it wanted to do so. That doesn't make a cat a dog. It means that a cat should be considered a dog in the specific situations pointed out in the legislation. As I've tried to point out many times, using laws in a discussion like this isn't going to get anyone anywhere regardless of your stand on the issue.

 

Exactly, but do not expect to overcome his hypocrisy. On one side he will argue that laws do not make it right, because slavery was once legal, then he turns around and claim that fetuses are persons because some law for a single purpose treats them so.

 

This makes no sense in the context of a child in utero. Such a child is either a "person" or he or she is not. The "should be treated as" makes no sense when we are talking about human beings.

 

It's my opinion that a "child in utero" is not a person for some of the time and is for some of the time, but that's beside the point.

It makes perfect sense in the context of how certain laws are written. Yes, such a child is either a person or not, but a legislative body can call a "child in utero" whatever it wants for the purpose of specific pieces of legislation.

Read some of the laws. All of them either say something along the lines of "a person is defined so as, for the purpose of this legislation, to include unborn blah blah blah" or "for the purpose of this legislation, murder is defined as taking the life of a fetus blah blah blah" or "a fetus is considered a person except for the case of abortion blah blah blah". The laws as written are specifically saying that a fetus is to be considered a person sometimes and not considered a person at other times.

Whether or not it makes "common sense" or not that's how the laws are written ... which is why I'll say again that using these laws in these kinds of discussions is meaningless and adds nothing to the discussion. Don't complain to us. Instead complain to the legislatures that write laws that don't help (or hinder) your position.

Even if abortion were illegal and the law considered the killing of a zygote, embryo or fetus to be murder in any situation it would still be meaningless to use those laws in this discussion. As you yourself have pointed out slavery was legal for a long time. The legality or illegality of something doesn't necessarily have anything to do with whether it's right or wrong.

 

A child is a human developmental stage between birth and puberty. There are no children in utero.

 

Well thinking people understand that I am just demonstrating that my view that a child in utero is not a fringe group idea, it is widely accepted.

 

Well thinking people understand that I am just demonstrating that my view that a child in utero is not a fringe group idea, it is widely accepted.

This is obviously a minority view as there are multiple laws in the U.S. that say otherwise quite clearly.

 

Beleive me I have read the laws. We all know politics creeps into the language of laws and the "treated as" mentality is tip toeing around Roe for the purposes of getting a law passed without a lengthy drawn out court battle on constitutionality.

Any thinking person can plainly see that a law cannot make "perfect sense" while at the same time defying common sense and logic.

BTW, I a not complaining to you, as I couldn't really care less what you think of my opinions. I am posting this to educate readers on the fact that our current laws regarding children in utero are in direct conflict with one another from a logical standpoint.

 

Similar to a building a large office tower, the human is built over time. The building of a human starts from a single cell. The finished product will contain billions of cells.

As more cells are created, the closer the entity comes to being a human.

 

Simply nonsense. Any analogy that equates a manmade structure to the human body will fail as idiocy every time.

 

That is not where the problem is. Of course everyone knows by now your view. The problem is that you dishonestly present your view as fact and in order to do so, you resort to ALL the forms of dishonest debate.

 

Well you OBVIOUSLY cannot show us even one such incident, so we have to take your posts as just blow hardedness.

 

If you say the analogy is not valid .. then at least state why.

We need not use the analogy however.

A human is comprised of billions of cells. As the number of cells increases, the entity (zygote, embryo, fetus) is nearer to a complete human.

 

By your edict no less and you call his analogy idiocy?

 

That's not suicide.

 

Well it is quite obvious that a building is not a living breathing animal, and a building does not develop through its own natural growth process. The fact that I have to explain this to you might explain why you cannot understand that a zygote is a human being.

So the number of cells is what determines what is and is not a human being? So a newborn baby is less human than an obese man? Or perhaps a newborn baby isn't a human at all because he/she doesn't have enough cells yet?!?!?!

 

OK, then attempted suicides can be prosecuted, but obviously successful ones cannot, at least not on earth.

Is that better?

 

The bible describes ones body as a temple does it not ? An analogy does not mean all things have to be similar. Just some things.

You have never given explained why a zygote is a human being without using logical fallacy.

Your claim that because the zygote is part of human creation .. that the zygote is a human is one such fallacy

Furthermore .. you have never presented any justification for why being part of the creation of the human makes something a human.

The exact number of cells is not the determining factor but it plays a role.

There has to be enough cells to create all the human parts necessary for a human to survive.

Without brain, heart, spine, blood vessels and so forth .. .. no living human is possible ... is it.

 

I just love it when the poster of some idiotic BS digs himself a deeper and deeper hole.

Please, continue!

 

I guess that puts you in a bottomless pit then...

 

Is that really all you've got.

 

No, that is just an observation, but it is clear that that is ALL you have.

 

No need to continue. You have no response other than ad hom and cat calls.

 

Well you may be right! I have already debunked all your assertions, so now there is little else to add.