About Student Loan Forgiveness...

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Kal'Stang, Apr 29, 2024.

  1. Kal'Stang

    Kal'Stang Well-Known Member

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    So, for all those that support it....why must taxpayers foot the bill? Why don't you demand that the Universities/Colleges foot the bill for it instead? They're the ones that set the price to begin with.

    Mind you, this is coming from someone who supports having government pay for college all across the board. But even I recognize that these young adults agreed to the price and took out the loans, which makes it their responsibility. I would support them in demanding that the colleges lower their prices and take a hit for current students...but they did accept the price tag before they attended even a single class. So its their responsibility to pay it off. Not anyone elses.
     
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    Just Joe Biden blatantly buying votes with money that doesn't belong to him and that he has no authority to do.

    Why stop at college? Let's demand the government pay off my car note and my mortgage too while we're at it?
     
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    Trump handed out covid checks, why did the tax payers that did not get a check have to pay for them?
     
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    if the government would not allow you to BK a car loan or mortgage, I would agree

    so should we treat student loans the same as a car loan or mortgage
     
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    Taxpayers used to pay it. Tax support for public universities has plummeted leaving universities the choice of reduced quality or raised tuition.

    Are High Schools next? Probably not but they should be nervous.
     
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    . . . as the USA goes deeper and deeper in debt . . .
     
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    I'm definitely in favor of student loan reform and I have no problem with the government funding college educations, especially for fields where we need professionals.

    But that should be front-loaded, not retroactive. And there should be guardrails in place. You shouldn't have your college debt for your Humanities degree forgiven, but if you went to school to be a doctor or some other needed professional, sure. And while I know trade schools don't generally cost the same as a university education, for those who've gone into the trades and have education debt, their's should be forgiven too, or front-loaded to be low or no cost.

    We shouldn't subsidize college degrees across the board, we should subsidize specific areas. We don't need more computer science majors and "digital creators", we don't need more artists and liberal arts folks. We need professionals.
     
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    We have free 1 thru 12 schooling. Why not add college for free. We could afford it by taking the money from foreign aid. Imagine if we were a country of mostly college educated people. West Point, Annapolis, and the Air Force Academy are already free.
     
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    But when Biden handed out Covid checks, you supported it.
     
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    College is being overrated and over priced. Many young people would be better off learning a trade. Yet the big push is college. Like everything else, when there are too many college graduates, wages go down. That goes double if you major in something for which there is little demand.
     
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    Right. College diplomas are not a magic pill to success. In addition to making college free I would support also making vocational schools free. I attended a vocational school for which I had saved up for the tuition. Upon competition I entered the trade as an apprentice at minimum wage and it set me on a path for a successful career in which I was able to financially retire at age 55.
     
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    You're all so gullible. First, once again, Biden is dangling a carrot hologram to any gullible voters with student loans. The SCOTUS has already ruled the Executive may not allocate funds which have not been appropriated by the House of Representatives. PERIOD! End OF CASE!. There is literally a supreme court ruling on the EXACT SAME attempt just issued declaring it to be unconstitutional. ANYONE filing a suit will immediately win their case (in the most subordinate of courts) merely by citing the previous SCOTUS ruling overriding any such attempt to circumvent the authority of the House. He is attempting the same con job he did during the 2022 midterms to a slightly lesser extent. And it is STILL unconstitutional. Those gullible enough to fall for this a second time and vote for Biden on this basis will have been fooled TWICE. Why didn't he make such an attempt last year? Because it would have been struck down before it had a chance of altering the votes of these same gullible voters. To those gullible enough to allow this to sway their vote, the timing alone should indicate what Biden is once again attempting. "Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me".

    2nd, COVID checks are a completely different matter, as Trump followed the normal process through Congress to have the funds allocated. Trump issued an executive order mandating people stay home during the initial onset of COVID. He did not use an executive order to fund the mail-out of COVID money. That came later through Congress.

    That said, this will not succeed. For every voter gullible enough to fall for this, there are 2 voters who will be compelled to vote against Biden on the same basis. The Democrats live by the law of CONCENTRATED REWARDS versus DISPERSED PENALTY. But in this case, paying off student loan debt is unpopular enough to overcome the concentration of reward. Especially on the 2nd go-around.
     
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    Understanding that my thoughts and opinions have no value at all in Washington DC, as a taxpayer I would rather my tax dollars be spent on public education and health than on endless wars of aggression on behalf of Israel.
     
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    The thing is, most of the student loan forgiveness is aimed at the top 5% of earners who have the biggest student debt, and it really isn't anything but a tax cut for the wealthy. And, it's almost as big a cut coming from brandon as the tax increase trump put on the wealthy in high tax states when he capped state tax credits at $10,000.
    Anyone needing to understand what trump did need only google "SALT tax deduction and Trump"
     
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    Im absolutely gonna be 100% for student loan forgiveness purely because colleges don’t need to become loan sharks and students shouldn’t be straddled with extra debt in addition to surviving on a regular basis to begin with.
     
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    Weak comparison. Not even close! People made A CHOICE to go to colleges they could not afford and THEY should have to pay for that choice. These losers are gonna get no respect in the work force once they are found out to be a bunch of no good dirty MOOCHERS
     
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    So are mortgage company. Why no handouts for people paying off high interest mortgages?
    I won't be expecting an answer, This point usually CRUSHES any rebuttals. Try your best!
     
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  18. MelshieMaze

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    Mortgages and college debt loans aren’t the same exact thing so…
     
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    They are still loans of people buying something they can't afford to buy at once. What the heck is your point?
     
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    Paying off student loans is discriminating against achievers.
     
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    I did, it made up for the Trump shutdowns
     
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    I think Biden had shutdowns too. Including those careers of people in the armed services who refused to take the shot.
     
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    Let me say it like this: student loan companies have an easier time preying on younger people because they don’t have a ton of options and because no one tells them about having to deal with these issues after college until it’s too late. Add in the fact that colleges like to be for-profit and already charge heavy prices for simple **** like textbooks and there you go.
     
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    There's no choice in the military.
     
  25. JohnHamilton

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    Yes, but there is choice for the government. After you have spent a large sum on training a soldier. After you find one that has the talent to do the job, it is dumb to flush them down the drain for partisan political reasons. Then again, if you are looking to create a woke military, it can be used as a way to get to that questionable goal.
     
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