About the Holocaust

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  1. pitbull

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    Zyklon-B was invented to kill lice and other vermin, but it's also very effective on humans.
    https://www.auschwitz.org/en/museum...as-for-murdering-people-in-auschwitz,422.html
     
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    An "... almost certainly" from a fraudulent Holocaust theme park is not the same as a photo or authentic blueprint of a real homicidal gas chamber.

    You've been deceived about homicidal gas chambers just as you were about "human skin lampshades".

    Meanwhile, you can't refute anything that I've written and supported in any of my previous Posts.
     
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    The only German made homicidal gas chamber was made by German POWs after the war for the Russians. They knew nothing about gas chambers or much about building but we're forced to make something.

    When it was examined by outside sources, it was too obvious of a fraud to be accepted by even the most gullible individuals.

    It's an interesting story
     
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    Why do you always equate Nazis with Germans? Do you specifically want to offend me because I'm a German citizen? The Hitler gang was a criminal organization that kidnapped Germany and misused it for WW2 and Holocaust. :(

    Nazis built many gas chambers, not only for killing Jews but for murdering disabled Germans using carbon dioxide. :(

    Usual HC deniers don't deny the Nazi's Euthanasia program. Even Hitler himself didn't. Do you deny that?
     
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    This is an article about the German POW made "gas chamber" I mentioned earlier:

    "NKVD Forced German POWs to Build Fake Gas Chambers AFTER the War !"
    https://vk.com/@-181845420-nkvd-forced-german-pows-to-build-fake-gas-chambers-after-the

    EXCERPT "As a young officer, Schirmer was captured in 1945 by the Russians and held in Sachsenhausen which the Russians continued to use as a prison. Although the War and Nazism were over, Schirmer and a few fellow-prisoners were forced to construct a gas chamber and execution room, to show the world what the Nazis had done. He described his experiences in a booklet entitled 'Sachsenhausen - Workuta, Zehn Jahre in den Fängen der Sowjets' (Grabert Verlag, Tübingen, 1992).

    When 'certain groups' drew the attention of the authorities to the booklet's contents, it was seized and banned in Germany. This is described by Schirmer below (my translation). I understand Schirmer was given the choice of a fine or prison and he chose the fine because, being over ninety, he did not relish spending his last few years behind bars, especially as he had already spent eleven years of his life in prison." CONTINUED


    Of course the booklet relating this story was banned and the author was punished for telling the truth about the only German made "homicidal gas chamber".


     
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    Hi, Grau, it's amazing what you dug out!! Never in my 87 years have I heard of this story!

    One has to ask, "why didn't the Soviets simply use the gas chambers in Auschwitz?" Is it possible there weren't any?? Or am I getting completely confused now?

    To make double sure you got it right, I went to the www. and searched the story for myself. Here is what I found, the same thing just more expanded:

    http://www.fpp.co.uk/Letters/Auschwitz/Haig_170508.html

    * * * * *

    I also found another story, this time about Auschwitz. . . .

    Friedrich Stelzel of Munich relates April 22, 2008 what he witnessed as a Soviet prisoner in Auschwitz after the war:

    "I was held by the Russians in Auschwitz; this is what I saw

    22. April 2008

    LEIDER gehöre ich zu den -- nach Ihrer Definition -- unvernünftigen Menschen, die den Holocaust zwar nicht leugnen, aber bestreiten. Ich war nämlich im Sommer 1945 in sowjetischer Gefangenschaft in Auschwitz und weiß deshalb, daß es damals dort keine Gaskammern zur Vergasung von Menschen gegeben hat und das Lager auch kein Vernichtungslager war, wie Sie es nennen. Waren Sie je in Auschwitz?

    Auf meiner Suche nach den Gaskammern fand ich im Häftlingsbereich ein gekacheltes 20m-Schwimmbecken mit Sprungbrett und verchromten Leitern zum Ein- und Aussteigen. Ich fragte mich, ob die Häftlinge hier wohl noch baden durften, bevor sie „vergast" wurden.

    Eines Tages traf ich zwei polnische Kapos, die noch aus der Kriegszeit im Lager wohnten. Im Laufe unserer längeren Unterhaltung fragte ich sie dann nach den Lebensbedingungen im Lager und nach den Gaskammern. Um es gleich vorweg zu nehmen: Von den Gaskammern wußten sie rein gar nichts.
    Die Lebensbedingungen waren erträglich. Wer arbeitete, bekam dafür Lagergeld. Dafür konnte er sich zusätzliche Verpflegung oder Tabakwaren kaufen, oder aber einen Besuch im Lagerbordell genehmigen. Wer seine Strafe verbüßt hatte, wurde entlassen.

    Gibt es nicht auch zu denken, daß Eli Wiesel sich lieber mit den Deutschen nach Westen absetzte, als sich von der Roten Armee befreien zu lassen?

    Übrigens, in Numismatikerkreisen wird das Lagergeld von Auschwitz noch heute gehandelt."

    Friedrich Stelzel
    Packenreiterstr 25
    81247 München
    http://www.fpp.co.uk/Letters/Auschwitz/Stelzel_220408.html
    ---------

    I need a break and start searching for a translation of Stelzel's letter or translate it myself.
     
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    Vk.com is a ruZZian facebook clone.
    There you can find many anti-German lies. And this is certainly one of them. :(
     
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    I keep debunking your flawed opinions and posting comments that you can't refute yet you continue to evade questions and jumping from one topic to another.

    Earlier you claimed to be tired of discussing homicidal gas chambers and said "Please come up with new ideas to support Holocaust denial."

    I then showed how the National Socialist party included high ranking Jewish members (1) and asked you how there could have been a genocidal "Final Solution" if some Jews were National Socialist Party members and also high ranking members of Germany's military. Many of these Jewish military men received Germany's highest military honors with the full knowledge and approval of Hitler and the German High Command.

    Earlier in Post # 2869 where I supported my assertions in the same Post:

    "Germany, like every other country, had to have someplace to confine its murderers, rapists, pedophiles, thieves, terrorists / resistance fighters, Communist rioters and genuine criminals so not every inmate was an innocent Jewish individual who was incarcerated for simply being Jewish. Most Jewish individuals who were arrested and sent to a work camp had some connection to the Communist Party.

    The Germans saw what happened when the Communists took over Russia (Holodomor, widespread torture by the NKVD etc). They also saw that about 80% of the Communist Party leadership in Russia was Jewish (4) so most all of the German Jews who were incarcerated had some connection to the expanding Communist Party.

    Meanwhile, most of the Jews under German control were allowed to remain free, join the National Socialist Party(5) or serve in Germany's military(6) with the possibility of rising to the highest ranks and / or being awarded some of Germany's highest honors."

    Then, in your Post # 2870, you declared that you didn't want to discuss homicidal gas chambers but in your very next Post you cite a Holocaust Industry link that claims to be drawings of a homicidal gas chamber which turned out to be nothing of the sort. (2)

    By moving the goalposts and going from one evasion to another, you act as if you don't read or understand what I've researched and written.

    Re:
    Of course not. I've tried very hard to treat you as I would like to be treated by keeping my posts civil and respectful.
    Since I believe you said that you moved from Poland to Germany, my family came from Eastern Germany around 1900 so, with a German last name, I probably have more German blood than you.

    Re:
    I don't quite understand what you mean by "equate".

    The "Nazis" (they didn't call themselves that) in your mind are cartoonish caricatures and do not accurately represent who they really were. Germany's National Socialists (NS) didn't bring Germany from post WW 1 ruin and starvation just by chasing Jews around and torturing them as you've been told. What they accomplished was widely regarded as a miracle but since Allied propagandists and the Holocaust Industry write the history, all we hear about are exaggerated German atrocities and the holocaust simply because they lost the war.

    Most members of the NS party were creative, hard working and decent Germans who only wanted to restore Germany and save it from influential people like Henry Morgenthau and Theodore N. Kaufman who wanted to destroy Germany and sterilize all Germans, not just the National Socialists.

    So, then, all of Germany and its people were in the fight to keep Communism from consuming all of Europe and the warmongering Allied leaders (FDR and Churchill) who wanted Germany dismembered, ruined and left to starve.
    A prosperous Germany was a perceived threat to the French, American & British Empires that spanned the globe. Please remember that the Empires that the British, Americans and French invaded and exploited were ruled with cruelty by deliberate starvation, torture, mutilation and real concentration camps.



    (1) “List of Nazis of non-Germanic descent”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazis_of_non-Germanic_descent

    EXCERPT “Notably, there were several high-ranking Nazis of full and partial Jewish descent. “ CONTINUED


    (2) "Auschwitz Expert: Blueprints Found in Berlin Not of Death Camp"
    https://www.haaretz.com/1.5056721

    EXCERPT "Prof. Robert Jan van Pelt, a internationally acknowledged expert on the planning and construction of Auschwitz,

    Van Pelt, an architectural historian, said that copies of the plans of the stages of the camp's construction were also in the archive of the Polish National Museum at Auschwitz and in an archive in Moscow.

    Van Pelt said he also doubted the authenticity of the signature of the SS chief, Heinrich Himmler, since such a high-ranking officer would not have signed such plans, and none of the copies he had ever seen bore such a signature.

    Van Pelt also said the words "gas chamber" on one of the drawings meant a room in which disinfection of clothing was done by means of gas, and that the sketch is not of an extermination camp established in 1942, but rather of earlier plans for a huge concentration camp in which a force of 130,000 slave laborers was intended to work.

    Van Pelt suggested the plans might be fakes, motivated by the lucrative market in Nazi memorabilia and documents."CONTINUED
     
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    And yet you believed the "human skin lampshade" lie until I told you the truth.

    By now, you should have noticed that I don't lie.

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    How is this an "anti German lie" when it is still more evidence that that the Germans did not use homicidal gas chambers to murder "millions of people"?

    If anyone is spreading anti German lies it is the fraudulent Holocaust Industry(1), (2) and its gullible holocaust cult members who will believe even the most outrageous lies about the Germans.

    THINK!

    If the Holocaust Industry with its glut of taxpayer funded theme parks repeatedly gets caught telling lies and cheating the German government, why do you still believe it?



    (1)"17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE"
    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U

    EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED


    (2) "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"
    http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298

    EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.”CONTINUED
     
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    Hello Jazz,

    About 50 years ago when I lived, studied and worked odd jobs in Germany, the only jobs that were available to an American were hard, manual labor because America was not a member of the Common Market.

    Therefore, the jobs I had were construction related and no one seemed to care if you drank beer while mixing concrete, carrying bricks, stone, lumber etc. so the German WW 2 Veterans I worked with were more open with me in relating their wartime experiences. They also felt more comfortable around me because I, too, was a combat Veteran of an unpopular war and at the time spoke fluent German.

    I didn't read the story about the fake Soviet chamber until recently but it was consistent with other examples of absurd Allied propaganda stories that were used to murder Germans at post war "Trials".

    For example, chief US prosecutor Robert Jackson would use any ridiculous fable to murder German POWs but the "vaporizer" was one of the more outrageous:

    "Auschwitz: Myths and Facts"
    http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml

    EXCERPT "At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief US prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans had used a "newly invented" device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no trace left of them." No reputable historian now accepts either of these fanciful tales."CONTINUED

    Many thanks,
     
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    What is "anti German" about exposing anti German slander?
     
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    Wrong question.

    It's indeed very anti-German to claim that Germans and Nazis are the same (of spirit, heart, mind, etc.).

    Nazis were criminals who abused the German people as foot soldiers for their murderous and heinous ideology. :(
    You didn't understand that months ago, and I don't think you'll understand it today either. :(
     
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    There's no such thing as a "Wrong question", there are only false beliefs and that's why you have demonstrated very clearly throughout this thread that you know nothing about Germany's past and the people who endured that past except what Hollywood propagandists and the fraudulent Holocaust Industry(1), (2) has poured into your head.

    Anyone can be deceived but a wise person rejects false beliefs once they've been shown that their deceiver is dishonest. That's why I keep posting links proving that the wealthy & influential Holocaust Industry is a greedy and corrupt entity that uses extortion and promulgates lies to the poorly informed and gullible for the sake of extracting $ Billions.

    I've already shown where you've been deceived into believing that the "evil Germans" made lampshades out of human skin and you've been entirely unable to refute a single fact I've written and supported just as you've been unable to produce even one photo of a single homicidal gas chamber allegedly used to murder "millions of people".

    If "millions of people" were murdered in homicidal gas chambers, there would have hundreds of homicidal gas chambers all around the former 3rd Reich and tons of related documents but neither exists or existed.

    It's bad enough that the insatiably greedy Holocaust Industry has already extorted well over $100 Billion from the German people but countless innocent German civilians & POWs were ruthlessly murdered by Allied war criminals in bogus, Soviet style "Trials", through deliberate starvation and / or through genocidal mass murder.(3)

    It doesn't matter if a German was a "Nazi" or not because neither did anything worse than what was done by the Allies both during and after the war.

    Finally, I'll bet you have never known, lived or worked with any German WW 2 Veteran or former member of the "Nazi" / National Socialist party. If you had, you'd soon learn that they were no different than any other WW 2 survivor / Veteran.

    The "Nazis" in your head are fictional caricatures fabricated by the fraudulent Holocaust Industry & Hollywood propagandists.




    (1) "17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE"
    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U

    EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED


    (2) "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"
    http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298

    EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.”CONTINUED


    (3) "Expulsion of Ethnic Germans after World War II (1945)"
    https://www.toptenz.net/top-10-most-horrific-genocides-in-history.php

    EXCERPT "However, the forced displacement of some 14 million ethnic Germans and allied Slavs from Soviet Russia, from occupied areas of Eastern and Central Europe in the aftermath of World War II, has to go down as something pretty close to genocide, especially when one considers that between half a million and two million of them didn’t survive the journey.

    While most of these deaths were from famine and disease, many German civilians were also executed outright, or sent to internment and labor camps by the Soviets—especially those known to or suspected to have had Nazi associations. What makes it genocidal in nature was that only Germans were targeted, and that the brutal policy of forced relocation was ordered by Stalin himself, specifically as a means of retribution."CONTINUED
     
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    One of my grandfathers was a Nazi, an NSDAP member. He was a senior official at the Reichsbahn and never had to join military or even fought at the frontlines.

    He came from a middle-class family and was not so rich before the war. But when the war was over, he owned several real estate and had a lot of money in foreign bank accounts.

    The British field security arrested him around December 1945. He was remanded in custody but was released after ~3 weeks. They couldn't prove he had committed any crime.

    He died in 2005. He never spoke about his time as a Nazi, not even to his wife. :(
     
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    1945 was too late to find gas chambers in Auschwitz. The Nazis destroyed them to cover their crimes. :(
    https://www.auschwitz.org/en/history/auschwitz-and-shoah/the-demolition-of-the-gas-chambers/
     
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    Ruzzians are evil, murderous barbarians. Even today.

    British and American troops came from the west. They usually didn't abuse POWs. :)
     
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    I'm glad that he wasn't beaten and made to make false confessions like most German POWs were.

    My point is that you have not learned the truth about the era from dozens of people who have been in the camps and on the Eastern Front.
    Very few were especially open with their experiences at first but being a fellow military Veteran helped with the German Veterans and wine helped with everyone else.
     
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    Many Germans who experienced the Nazi era were ashamed of what Nazis had done to Germany. They felt complicit. They voted for Hitler and thought he was the right guy to "make Germany great again".

    Then there was another group, those who still stood by Hitler and blamed the Communists, Jews, Allies, for Germany's downfall. Totally brainwashed characters.
    :(

     
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    [​IMG]EXCERPT "Some human remains at Buchenwald,[1] including a lampshade allegedly made of human skin" CONTINUED


    I'm afraid you've mixed up the group of people who have been brainwashed.

    The post War Germans who were forced to go look at piles of naked bodies (most of whom were executed German POWs), shrunken heads, fake human skin lampshades, fake human fat soap, fake human skin pocketbooks etc who were the ones who were brainwashed about the "evil Nazis" & demonic Hitler etc.

    It was only because of Hitler's Germany that Stalin's Communists didn't invade all of Europe instead of just Eastern Europe. I've supported that assertion earlier.

    It's also a fact that some influential Jewish leaders called for the sterilization of the German people, the dismembering of Germany(1) and, essentially, its destruction(2)

    There's absolutely no reason for the German people to feel any more shame than any other participant in that tragic era.

    Some of the most ruthless atrocities occurred after the war in Allied concentration camps and under the guise of Soviet style "War Crime Trials"

    The Nuremberg "Trials" were such a transparent farce that Eisenhower's more ethical brother condemned them as a "... black page in the history of the world"(3)

    QUOTE:
    "I think the Nuremberg trials are a black page in the history of the world…I discussed the legality of these trials with some of the lawyers and some of the judges who participated therein. They did not attempt to justify their action on any legal ground, but rested their position on the fact that in their opinion, the parties convicted were guilty…"

    Edgar N. Eisenhower, American attorney: Brother of President Dwight D. Eisenhower(3)

    Other condemnations of the "Trials" were:

    "... a fantastic desecration of the ideals of Western Civilisation, and appalling miscarriage of justice... a misuse of evidence for vicious ends, all of which will someday be exposed as a shocking travesty of high legal and moral principles."
    - Professor Henry M. Adams, Ph.D

    “About this whole judgment there is the spirit of vengeance, and vengeance is seldom justice. The hanging of the 11 men convicted will be a blot on the American record which we shall long regret.”
    - US Senator Robert Taft, 1946

    "Chief US prosecutor Jackson is away conducting his high-grade lynching party in Nuremberg......I hate to see the pretence that he is running a court and proceeding according to common law. This is a little too sanctimonious a fraud to meet my old-fashioned ideas."
    - US Supreme Court Chief Justice Harlan Fiske Stone

    If these bright and ethical men could recognize a "sanctimonious fraud", why can't you?




    (1) Germany Must Perish!
    https://www.ihr.org/books/kaufman/perish.shtml

    EXCERPT "Theodore N. Kaufman, the author of Germany Must Perish, was a Manhattan-born Jewish businessman who was also chairman of a group that called itself the "American Federation for Peace." The first edition of this slim volume was published in 1940 or early 1941. A second, 96-page edition, which sold for 25 cents, was published in 1941 by Argyle Press of Newark, New Jersey. Both editions were issued when the United States was still officially neutral, that is, before the Pearl Harbor attack of December 7, 1941, that brought the U.S. openly into World War II.

    Kaufman's fervent proposal for the systematic sterilization of the entire German population was given respectful attention in the American press, including reviews in a number of newspapers. A review in the weekly Time magazine, March 24, 1941, called Kaufman's plan a "sensational idea." CONTINUED



    (2) "The US plan to completely destroy Germany after World War II"
    https://www.wearethemighty.com/popular/morgenthau-plan-postwar-germany-wwii/

    [​IMG]

    A page from Morgenthau’s 1945 work, “Germany Is Our Problem.”

    EXCERPT "Morgenthau wanted not only subdivide Germany into smaller parts, he wanted to wreck all of its industrial capabilities. In order to keep Germans from making armaments, he wanted to keep them from making anything at all. Industrial facilities were to be destroyed, mines were to be wrecked and filled, experts in production and manufacturing would be forcibly removed from the region and put to work elsewhere. Germany was going to become an agrarian state, set back almost a thousand years." CONTINUED


    (3) "President Eisenhower’s Brother, An Attorney, Condemned The Nuremberg & Eichmann Trials"
    http://www.renegadetribune.com/president-eisenhowers-brother-attorney-condemned-nuremberg-eichmann-trials/
     

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    That's right because they also were victims of Hitler's madness against Jews, russians, Poles, Gypsies, etc. :(

    Germany is an old cultural nation that didn't deserve to be led by barbarian criminals like the Nazis.
     
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    How do you know that the building was really a homicidal gas chamber if it was destroyed?

    I've already shown that the homicidal gas chamber myth was just Allied propaganda:

    “Auschwitz: Myths and Facts”
    http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml

    EXCERPT “Allied Propaganda

    The Auschwitz gassing story is based in large part on the hearsay statements of former Jewish inmates who did not personally see any actual signs of extermination. Their beliefs are understandable, because rumors about gassings at Auschwitz were widespread. Allied planes dropped large numbers of leaflets, written in Polish and German, on Auschwitz and the surrounding areas which claimed that people were being gassed in the camp. The Auschwitz gassing story, which was an important part of the Allied wartime propaganda effort, was also broadcast to Europe by Allied radio stations. [15] CONTINUED

    15. Nuremberg document NI-11696. NMT "green series," Vol. 8, p. 606.


    Additionally, there are just as many camp survivors who tell the truth about the existence of homicidal gas chambers as those who lie.

    For example:

    EXCERPT " Rudolf Vrba, who had escaped from Auschwitz in April of 1944, was a world-famous eyewitness to the homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz. Vrba confessed during his testimony at Zündel’s trial that his book I Cannot Forgive was “an artistic picture…not a document for the court.” Vrba testified that he had never actually witnessed anybody being gassed at Auschwitz, but had merely heard rumors." CONTINUED (1)

    EXCERPTS "One of the first to dispute reports of German genocide was Paul Rassinier.
    Rassinier stated that although he suffered greatly during the war in the Buchenwald and Dora Concentration Camps, he never saw any evidence of homicidal gas chambers or any program to exterminate Jews.
    Rassinier concluded that the death toll in the camps was far lower than alleged. He also concluded that the deaths in the camps were not caused by a German program of genocide,[24] but rather primarily by the poor conditions of the camps attributable to the economic collapse of Germany during a devastating war." CONTINUED (1)

    EXCERPTS "Thies Christophersen was another witness who said that the alleged genocide of Jews during World War II never happened.
    On a number of occasions during this period he visited Birkenau where allegedly hundreds of thousands of Jews were being gassed to death. In his memoir The Auschwitz Lie, first published in Germany in 1973, Christophersen wrote that during the time he was at Auschwitz he did not notice the slightest evidence of mass gassings." CONTINUED (1)

    EXCERPTS " Another eyewitness who did not see any evidence of genocide of the Jews is Dr. Wilhelm Stäglich. Dr. Stäglich, a German judge, visited Auschwitz several times during World War II as a German orderly officer of an Anti-aircraft Detachment. Dr. Stäglich published the following account of his visits to Auschwitz:

    'On none of these visits did I see gassing installations, crematoria, instruments of torture, or similar horrors. The camp gave one the impression of being well-kept and very well-organized…'" CONTINUED (1)


    These men who debunk the homicidal gas chamber myth had nothing to gain by telling the truth and everything to loose because they received death threats and hate mail from fanatic holocaustian cult members and other deluded employees of the Holocaust Industry.

    Finally, the logistics of rounding up, herding, gassing, ventilating, emptying, cremating and pulverizing the bones & teeth of thousands of people per day are simply not possible.

    How could any thinking person believe such slanderous anti German nonsense?



    (1) "An Unproven Holocaust: The Unreliable Eyewitness Testimony to the Genocide of European Jewry"
    http://www.wearswar.com/2021/05/31/...-testimony-to-the-genocide-of-european-jewry/
     
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    The Adolf himself and his subordinate gangsters
    openly told that they planned to murder all Jews: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler's_prophecy
    :(

    Later HC deniers didn't matter to them at that time.
    They were too sure that they will win. Then nobody would have been interested in Jewish victims.
     
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    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You're just showing how desperate holocaustians are to fabricate something that doesn't exist.

    A prophecy or prediction is not a declaration of intent or a plan.

    For example, saying "I think that it will rain." does not mean: "I want it to rain."

    Nowhere in the tons of documents is there any order from Hitler to kill even one Jewish individual.

    “To the present day a written order by Hitler regarding the destruction of the European Jewish community has not been found, and, in all probability, this order was never given.”

    - Walter Laqueur, Was niemand wissen wollte: Die Unterdruckung der Nachrichten uber Hitlers Endlösung (What Nobody Wanted to Know: The Suppression of News About Hitler’s “Final Solution”), (Berlin-Vienna, 1981), p.190

    You keep evading the same questions over and over.

    I have repeatedly shown that there were high ranking Jewish members of both the National Socialist Party(1) and Germany's Military (2) with the full knowledge and approval of Hitler and the German High Command.

    How was that possible if Hitler etc wanted to wipe out all of Europe's Jews?




    (1) “List of Nazis of non-Germanic descent”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazis_of_non-Germanic_descent

    EXCERPT “Notably, there were several high-ranking Nazis of full and partial Jewish descent. “ CONTINUED


    (2) “Hitler’s Jewish Army”
    http://counterpsyops.com/2013/02/14/...-hitlers-army/

    EXCERPT “Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called ‘full Jews’ served in the German military with Adolf Hitler’s knowledge and approval.

    In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were awarded(*)Germany’s highest military honor, the Knight’s Cross.

    Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto police(Ordnungdienst)(*)and concentration camp guards(*)(kapos).

    So what happens to the claim that Hitler sought to exterminate all Jews, when he allowed some of them to join in his struggle against Bolshevism and International finance capitalism?

    “If the Jews were permitted to serve in Hitler’s armed forces then there could not have been a Holocaust.”CONTINUED
     
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    Throughout this thread you've been mistaken about so many things and unable to refute anything I've both written and supported, don't you think that you could have been deceived about the real Hitler too?

    The only way to find out the truth about anything or anyone is to be objective and do comprehensive research.

    It's a fact that Hitler never ordered the mass murder of anyone.
     
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    I seriously have to wonder why with all the extensive credible evidence — government documents, thousands of eyewitness testimonies, firsthand admissions of guilt, photographs, film footage, meticulous written records, museums’ worth of artifacts, not to mention the remains of the concentration camps, gas chambers and crematoria themselves -- why people deny the holocaust.

    To me it's just a form of abhorrent antisemitism.

    Just because there is no written evidence of the Nazi program of extermination, doesn't mean it didn't happen. A lot of documentation was destroyed and a lot of the orders would have obviously been given verbally for obvious reasons.

    This thread was never meant to be a vehicle for antisemitism.
     

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