About this "It is not impeachable" nonsense!

Trump has a lot of problems and gets himself involved in many activities which draw attention to him that is not good. An example is the fraud case over Trump University settled after getting elected...There are Trump associates in prison and about to go to prison over their activities during the election of 2016. So I can see why they did call for his impeachment before he was sworn in.
Do you think Trump has learned his lesson on how to be a decent citizen?

 

Less than a year after Clinton took office a Special Prosecutor took over the EXISTING Whitewater investigation

 

He's admitting he is no fan of the Constitution..

 

People don't change like that.

You didn't give a crap about it then...and you don't now.

All you did was change jerseys.

Stop projecting your behavior and thinking on others

 

You don't seem terribly familiar with, or enthusiastic about, the Constitution.

 

Okay...then nothing to worry about.

 

Whitewater came up during the campaign and lingered.

 

This was always about smearing Trump not about an actual impeachment, even the Dems knew they had nothing, it was always about appearances nothing more. Now the calculus is who is hurt more by this? On the matter of appearances, the Dems are looking pretty foolish about now, so much so that a lot of Dem house members who are in weak districts in red states are losing their minds. They have to chose between sticking with an unpopular scheme for the party's sake or keeping their seat. My money is on those folks bailing on the impeachment. Trump called their bluff more than once, you'd think they learned from their mistakes.

 

The Hill writes, "Each side is trying to make the case that public opinion is trending in their favor — but there is little evidence either way.

"There was a measurable rise in pro-impeachment sentiment around the time that Trump’s July 25 call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky became public in late September.

"In that call, Trump prodded Zelensky to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden and his son Hunter Biden, as well as a conspiracy theory relating to purported Ukrainian meddling in the 2016 presidential election."

This is what many cannot understand. It seems today that many Americans have forgotten that in that phone call Trump asked for foreign intervention in our Presidential election and used bribery as a motivational tool. Both are impeachable offenses.

Republicans, on the other hand, completely ignore the gravity of the charges and think that what Trump did was not impeachable when it clearly is.

The Hill continued, "All of the drama since then — high-profile hearings on Capitol Hill and counterblasts from the president’s Twitter account and his political and media allies — has not shifted the ground appreciably.

"A CNN/SSRS poll released Tuesday showed exactly the same split as the previous month on the question of whether Trump should be impeached and removed from office. Fifty percent of U.S. adults surveyed were in favor of his removal, 43 percent were against — the same as in late October."

In other words about half of all Americans think that the President asking for foreign interference in our elections and using bribery is okay. They don't care about the horrible precedent being set. It is difficult to understand that reasoning.

 

I think Bonespurs does a pretty good job of "smearing" himself.

Obstructing justice, campaign finance violations and taking a steaming dump on the Constitution is not about "appearances", my misguided amigo.

 

I sure hope so. As things stand now, there is absolutely no chance of 67 votes in the Republican Senate to remove Trump. Being exonerated by the Senate is the only chance Trump has of being reelected. The House leadership should not give Trump that opportunity.

Let the American voter fire Trump's a$$ in November 2020.

 

How about intimidating a witness while she is appearing in a Congressional hearing? What a stupid thing to do, but, then, Trump is as dumb as a rock.

 

That all you got? How 'bout you pick something real muchacho.

 

This is from the transcript of the July 25 phone call between Trump and Zelensky. It was provided by the White House. The following is a quote from Trump.

Good because I· heard you had a prosecutor who· was very·good and he was shut down and that's really unfair._·A lot of people are talking about that, the way they shut your very good prosecutor down and you had some very bad people involved. Mr. Giuliani is a highly respected man. He was the mayor bf New York City, a great mayor, and I would like him to call you. I will ask him to call you along with the Attorney General.· :Rudy very much knows what's happening and he is a very capable guy. If you could speak to him that would be great. The former ambassador from the United States,· the woman., was bad news and the people she was dealing with in.the Ukraine.were bad news so I jtist want to_let you know that. The other thing, there's a lot of.talk about Biden's son,. that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great.Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you ·can look into it ... It sounds horrible to me.

“What you’re describing is a quid pro quo,” asserted a reporter. “We do that all the time,” replied [Trump's chief of staff] Mulvaney. “Did he also mention to me the corruption related to the DNC server? Absolutely. No question about it. But that’s it. That’s why we held up the money … I have news for everybody: Get over it. There’s going to be political influence in foreign policy.” http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/10/mulvaney-ukraine-get-over-it.html

 

I find this problematical. I have three copies of the Constitution in my home that are pretty well marked up. That's my political baseline. Your contention that Republicans care about the Constitution seems dated. Watching the impeachment testimony on C-SPAN I noted that the Democratic Committee did a good job of following Constitutional restraints and processes while "Republicans" did everything to divert and finally justify a clearly impeachable offense, obstruction of justice, and violation of a president's oath of office.

Today's "Republicans" would be unrecognizable to Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush. They and their "conservatives" are unrecognizable to me. Clinton, George W, and Obama did their best to honor their oath of office and represent the people of America. Trump couldn't care less, Trump represents the interests of Trump. Previous presidents are no fans of the current president. I think speaks to the current situation.

 

A good, decent long reply. Thanks.

As to the process of impeachment, Adam Schiff is an outlaw. I need to say no more.
Maybe Nadler will come to his senses and not be an outlaw.
Frankly my beef with Trump is he paid Ukraine a nickel. That money is not Trumps. And he should have fought the Democrats to his final breath against funding Ukraine.

Why the hell Democrats wanted to turn over taxpayers funds is way beyond my level of comprehension.

So what previous presidents loathe Trump the way Democrats loathe the man?

 

I did not address the loathing Democrats had and still have vs Reagan. Though I rank him our number 1 president, they literally hate the man and he is dead.

George H W Bush invaded Iraq yet the Democrats bless him for an odd reason. I surmise they do since he raised taxes breaking a pledge to this country.

I do not accept that Obama kept his oath of office. He agreed to a draconian health plan. And he agreed to the loathsome Dodd Frank law. And he was slow of wit. He spent 8 long years thinking over the oil pipeline from Canada to the USA. Trump is quick so he approved it.

 

Who the hell was intimidated. This is brand new news. What did she declare was intimidating to her?

 

I remain confused on a couple points. Why is Chairman Schiff and "outlaw?" I don't even know what that means. The Chairman has followed a process largely defined by Republicans when they controlled Congress. So far as I know, he followed Constitutional guidelines. The "outlaw" comment applied to Nadler is similarly confusing.

I also wonder about your comment that Democrats turned over taxpayer's funds. Funding Ukraine was a bipartisan vote in Congress and signed off by Trump. There was no fight to the death. Ukraine is a strategic bulwark between Russia an Europe so I disagree with your assessment. Ukraine is a strategic asset.

 

Man, you sure are a devout Republican??

 

Allow me to de-confuse you. Schiff is an outlaw because of his acts from the first day of the Trump presidency he was clearly out to get Trump. Mind you Trump hardly warmed the seat of the Oval office and there was Schiff out to get him.

Democrats never bring this up but the Impeachment of Clinton followed the Democrats rules. This time the shift was on so the rules got changed by Democrats.

I hope that Nadler is not an outlaw and this will soon end.

I said I am angry that Trump agreed to fund Ukraine. And of course any congressman that voted for it is not my pal.

 

Trump never called "for Russia and Ukraine to involve themselves in our elections."

Stop making crap up!

 

I agree, let the voters decide.

 

C'mon, Robert.

You have never met

Better to stick with an unpopular scheme than to support an existential threat to our Republic like Trump.

You are correct...the Democrats do face possible harm by going forward with the impeachment. Luckily, they have more spine than the Republicans who see Trump for the lawless, dictator wanna-be he is...and will continue to support him anyway.

I suspect the Republicans are doing more damage to themselves than the Democrats are doing to themselves.

We'll find out in just less than a year from now if I am right or if people like you are.

 

Yup!

It seems, Sandy, that "that half" would be willing to watch Trump torture puppies on the White House lawn and say, "Ahhh, there's nothing wrong with that!"