According to the Bible the goal of Politics is not Individual Freedom

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  1. Questerr

    Questerr Banned

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    The problem is that the kind of Christianity that holds up violent oppressive theocratic monarchy as the ultimate holy form of government has Biblical backing. Yours does not.
     
  2. Olivianus

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    Ah, not interested in debating, only in projection. Blocked.
     
  3. Olivianus

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    Assertions are not arguments.
     
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    Here are the main points.

    Jewish Encyclopedia, “Intermarriage”, http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/ar...-intermarriage

    Yahuwah Elohim gave the land promise to Abraham in Gen 15: 18-21

    In Genesis 17 Yahuwah gave Abraham the covenant of circumcision. Whether or not the children wanted to be circumcised was irrelevant. Because they were the child of the Qodeshim they were obligated and compelled to be a part of that tribal theocratic republic.

    In Deut. 13 Yahuwah commanded that if anyone advocated the worship of another deity they were to be put to death. The people were not given an absolute freedom of speech or individual freedom of conscience.

    To many other sundry contradictions between the Bible and the modern view of rights see my article here:

    http://drakeshelton.com/2013/11/18/t...ugust-26-1789/

    As for Christianity, all versions of it are bunk. The Messiah and Paul did not abrogate the torah.

    Mat 5:17 Do not think I came to do away with the law

    Rom. 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.

    Rom. 7:12 Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.

    Rom. 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin.

    Rom. 7:22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man.

    I have some items for your consideration:

    https://sites.google.com/a/thekingsparlor.com/natsarim-nation/should-christians-keep-the-sabbath

    AS for feudalism I maintain that the torah prohibits it specifically in Num. 15:15-29, Exo. 12:48-49, 21:24, Lev. 19:33-34, 24:22, 25:35-36.

    http://drakeshelton.com/2013/10/10/documenting-a-natsarim-historiography/
     
  5. Olivianus

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    Baseless assertions.

    There is no break between the old and new testaments.

    Mat 5:17 Do not think I came to do away with the law

    Rom. 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.

    Rom. 7:12 Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.

    Rom. 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin.

    Rom. 7:22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man.

    AS for the very term new testament it is problematic as well.

    There is a dispute concerning the meaning of the word chadash because there are two different uses of it in the Hebrew: Strong’s H2318-H2319.

    http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?strongs=H2318&t=KJV

    http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H2319&t=KJV

    As a Natsarim I see this passage as meaning renewed, not new, pursuant to H2318.

    Thus we read not of a new covenant but a renewal of the same ancient Abrahamic covenant, made with the ancient jewish peoples and the newly arrived gentile converts:

    Gen. 12:3 And so you shall be a blessing;
    3 And I will bless those who bless you,
    And the one who curses you I will curse.
    And in you all the families of the earth will be blessed.”

    Speaking to Gentile peoples of promises given to the racial Hebrew Israelites in Lev. 26:12, Rav Shaul states in 2 Cor. 6: 16 Or what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; just as God said,
    “I WILL DWELL IN THEM AND WALK AMONG THEM;
    AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE.

    and etc.

    1 Cor. 10: 1 For I do not want you to be unaware, brethren, that our fathers were all under the cloud and all passed through the sea; 2 and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3 and all ate the same spiritual food; 4 and all drank the same spiritual drink, for they were drinking from a spiritual rock which followed them; and the rock was [a]Christ. 5 Nevertheless, with most of them God was not well-pleased; for they were laid low in the wilderness.
    6 Now these things happened as examples for us, so that we would not crave evil things as they also craved.

    and etc.

    1 Pet. 2:9 9 But you are A CHOSEN RACE, A royal PRIESTHOOD, A HOLY NATION, A PEOPLE FOR God’s OWN POSSESSION, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; 10 for you once were NOT A PEOPLE, but now you are THE PEOPLE OF GOD; you had NOT RECEIVED MERCY, but now you have RECEIVED MERCY.

    and etc.

    Acts 15: 10 Now therefore why do you put God to the test by placing upon the neck of the disciples a yoke which neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear? 11 But we believe that we are saved through the grace of the Lord Yeshua, in the same way as they also are.” 12 All the people kept silent, and they were listening to Barnabas and Paul as they wererelating what signs and wonders God had done through them among the Gentiles.

    And even in the times of Moses Yahuwah made plain that he held the Gentiles were accountable to the same law he gave to the jews:

    Deut. 18: 9 “When you enter the land which the LORD your God gives you, you shall not learn to[h]imitate the detestable things of those nations. 10 There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, one who uses divination, one who practices witchcraft, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer,11 or one who casts a spell, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead.12 For whoever does these things is detestable to the LORD; and because of these detestable things the LORD your God will drive them out before you.
     
  6. Olivianus

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    That article deals with all the scripture in the torah on that issue. The jews wrote the bible. Sorry if that hurts your christian sentiments but they know it better than anyone.


    I just tried the 1st page link where I cited it and it worked fine. This attempt to butcher my link is such a despicable piece of childish pish I may consider blocking you.

    The tribal part.

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    The Jews wrote the first five books of the Bible and it is called the Torah. It was Paul who wrote the rest, in order to make the religion more palatable for non Jews to be a part of.

    If it was only for Jews, I think history would be really different today. There might be no Islam. No Catholic Church. No religious intolerance crap.

    So on and so forth.

    And now back to our regularly scheduled program....
     
  8. Olivianus

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    Paul wrote the prophets, the proverbs, Ecclesiastes, the gospels, the epistles of peter? You are the reason I no longer do street ministry with adults. You are a belligerent fool and you are now blocked.

    I have already refuted this. You deserve your deception and I hope the worst for you.
     

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