Activists Protest ‘Conversion Therapy’ Conference In San Diego

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By which you mean you're not getting affirmation. Discussing things with other people means understanding other people have differing opinions. If you can accept those opinions you can have a discussion if you want them to change their opinion you're are just preaching

Well it's not mutual I don't dislike you you just have an opinion I don't share. I can be friends with people whose opinions I don't share.

 

I think you only hear what you wish to hear.

 

I don't need affirmation

Liberals see things one way and I see them another

What I mean is we are just repeating ourselves or repeating the same thing in a differnet way

 

yes that's called having different opinions and it's okay.

If you can't agree to disagree you should remove yourself from the debate.

 

I'm not sure how many times we have to disagree before someone gets the last word

 

Agreeing to disagree is just so you can move forward in the discussion.

If you just came here to State your opinion, you don't need to make any follow-up posts because you're not debating anything.

 

Bible? No idea what you mean here. I'm a committed atheist. Religious grounds for opposing homosexuality are absurd, IMO.

It would take years to undo your western-centric conditioning, Poly. I don't have the time.

Yes, social conditioning comes under the 'environment' umbrella.

 

Okee dokes.

 

Sexuality isn't the same thing as the mating urge. All creatures have the mating urge. How we express it varies (thought not much, obviously).

 

You're forced into that understanding due to limited exposure to other roads (to the same conclusion). You only know of religion as a source of opposition (to the genetics theory). Had you lived in a number of different societies/cultures, you would know that religion is but one source of opposition.

 

Unfortunately for those on Team Genetics, religion is but one (and not a very good one, at that) basis for objecting. There are a number of cultures in which it's believed parenting determines these things, and that 'bad parenting' produces sexual variation (and mental illness, and autism, and a number of other states believed in the west to be genetic) of the like under discussion.

 

he/she is entitled to regard it as such. there are plenty of people who don't 'agree' with homosexuality, and likely never will.

 

disagreeing with it, does not equate to 'shunning'. two very different actions.

 

You can 'disagree' but it fits the definition. Homophobia is antipathy towards, aversion to, or fear of homosexuals depending on which one you pick. . Now look up aversion. aversion is a dislike or distaste for something or someone, or a desire to avoid something or someone.

I don't think he is shunning them because he likes then and wants to spend time with them.

 

Well, yeah, you are sort of saying what I am saying

For 4,000 years homosexuals have been rejected in most cultures and by different religions or no religion at all

In America most people are Chrisitans and so homosexuals blame Christians for their unhappiness when the real reason is within themselves

 

don't play dumb. I didn't say anything about that you know it. What I'm saying is you hold to a belief that you can't support much like other religious people.

don't misrepresent what I say. I said support your opinion.

But if you didn't want to be ambiguous and dishonest you would call it social because environment has to do with things outside of our control such as whether or proximity to the ocean or exposure to toxic elements.

 

This isn't the support for your opinion. You have done a worst job supporting it then religious people have done.

 

again my issue is with your utter lack of evidence support anything all we have is your insistence that your observation is empirical. Christians have more than you they have a Bible you have nothing.

 

no sweetie that's called scepticism. What's your presenting may not be a religion in the fact that it worships a deity but it's religion in the sense that you believe unsupported claims. And upon asking for support you dodge and fake and maneuver and very dishonest ways.

I'm addressing things as a skeptic skepticism can be of religion but it's really just anything anyone tells me. Especially when they go out of their way ridicule themselves as a way to avoid meeting of that skepticism.

 

believing something without a fundamental understanding of it is the same as religion. So if a culture believes parenting leads to same-sex attraction that has exactly one hundred percent as much Merit as someone believing demonic possession leads to it.

They both lack evidence.

And just because I'm pointing out the lack of evidence to you doesn't mean I'm on team genetic. Thats called pigeonholing. And you're trying to get me to defend the position I don't hold. It's very close to a straw man

 

religions have done a lot of things that we don't do here in the US and much of the West. The Renaissance ended too much of that.

In a lot of cases the blame falls on people who are Christians. Parents disown their children if they're gay because of Christianity. Do you believe that just makes those gay children happy? Or do you think they should lie to themselves and everyone else around them and be happy?

How do you think happiness is achieved? Believing a lie? Loved ones rejecting you completely? Because this is what Christianity wants. Yes they get blamed but at least in part they are deserving of it.

 

Would you disown a child who has sex with aniimals?

A grown child who enjoys sex with little boys?

 

Which has no relevance to the fact it's not a perversion

 

That doesn't really have anything to do with what i posted.

Would being disowned or blackmailed into living a lie make you happy?

It's really a yes or no question.

If you want to discuss child molesters you should do that in the appropriate forum.