Ad rips Chevy Volt

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    I as a taxpayer do not approve the bailpouts nor the handouts of taxpayer funds to subsidiaze the volt or other eco cars

    if they can't stand on their own with competitive pricing then they should not be in the market


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    Businesses expense and write off all their cost against profits. Do you understand the difference between depreciating something and a tax credit? As far as the Volt they get the tax credit AND the depreciation.

    Why can't I get a tax credit for an Elantra that gets 40mpg?
     
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    Show me where the union gets a pension from GM. That's union members, not the union. They don't work for GM. They represent GM employees, like a lawyer represent you. They get their pay and pension from union dues
     
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    Some confusion here, I think. Putting the Volt out of business wouldn't put GM out of business. In fact it would help keep it in business. Anybody who thinks people will be happy with a car that has a $10,000 battery with a limited life span needs to think things through.
     
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    They want to put GM out of business. So it makes sense to trash what they make.
     
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    A guy two blocks from my house has one and has nothing but good thing to say about.

    Unless he's telling a Lie
     
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    Volt production being suspended.

    GM temporarily halts production of Volt
    By Keith Laing - 03/02/12 03:39 PM ET

    General Motors has temporarily suspended production of its Volt electric car, the company announced Friday.

    GM, which is based in Detroit, announced to employees at one of its facilities that it was halting production of the beleaguered electric car for five weeks and temporarily laying off 1,300 employees.
    http://thehill.com/blogs/transporta...es/213889-gm-halting-production-of-chevy-volt

    No way there were going to sell enough of these to the general public. Way to expensive.
     
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    I bet Edsel owners did the same.
     
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    would you buy one and then tell people you made a mistake?


    maybe they should consider a real car

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JNj8IcNEnQ&feature=related"]800+ Horsepower Shelby GT500 Supersnake - YouTube[/ame]
     
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    Big deal. So they suck. Who cares? They'll get better.

    They have to.
     
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    the problem is all of the taxpayer dollars to keep the company afloat and to offer as incentives to purchase the pig

    where are the $$$$ incentives to people to buy products which my company makes?
     
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    $250,000 per car better? I care, I am one of the people who actually pay taxes and I see my tax dollars going to Obama's cronies to support stupid business ideas.
     
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    I notice you skipped over those huge incentives the government gives business to buy a company car. Much bigger than what they give on the Volt and Toyota Prius. As a matter of fact, no one even mentions the incentive to the Prius. Only the Volt. The Prius is made in Japan.
     
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    Good. This is the kind of areas I think the government ought to be investing money. We need to insure that certain technologies and innovations vital for future development (in this case, electric automobiles which are as efficent, if not moreso, and equally priced as gas-powered automobiles). I'm not saying the government ought to be taking control of such industries, just investing in them, and making sure it's being researched.

    I don't know; what product do you make?
     
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    Hybrid and electric automobiles are stupid business ideas? You're looking at the future of transportation. You're grandpa was probably out yelling "Get a horse!" back in 1911.
     
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    Electric cars? Yes (imo).

    Hybrids? No except for taxi's.

    Unless you do almost all of your driving in the city (like a cab), it is virtually impossible for a car with a VERY efficient gas engine PLUS an electric motor PLUS a battery pack to be more economical to own/operate then a similarly sized/equipped car with just a VERY efficient gas engine.
    The former just costs too much more to buy then the latter - no matter what the fuel savings.

    A Volt (even with the rebate) still costs WAY more to own operate over 5 years then a fully loaded Chevy Cruze (which is larger inside then a Volt and seats 25% more people)...even if you NEVER put gas in the Volt.


    Hybrids (except for pure city driving vehicles) are a fad that people will buy to feel 'green' until battery technology makes electric cars more practical.
     
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    my hatred towards Chevy is because of their engineering. i like the Chevy's of old even without all this flashy technology. when chevy and GM truly gets back to the right way of building a vehicle i will respect them again, as of right now they might as well let 3rd graders design their vehicles because the engineering is (*)(*)(*)(*).

    you should have seen me when i found out SAAB is gonna be no more, they had to be the worst (*)(*)(*)(*)ing idea ever. IMHO that was the most retarded built vehicle so far in the history of man kind, id rather ride a skateboard for the rest of my days than ever own a SAAB.
     
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    The Chevy Volt is a stupid idea.


    Not the near future and probably not the distant as far as the Volt. And electric, why we have plenty of oil.

    Non sequintur, I support gas power vehicles. They work. They worked better than horses. Even electrics worked better than horses back then. Electrics don't work better than gas or diesel.
     
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    It's early model of a concept that has only recently gotten any serious attention. Most concepts are rarely perfected on the first attempts. We all understand this, even rhose of us who refuse to admit it because they are only interested in propping up a certain agenda. Electric cars will continue to be developed even with the flop of the Volt, and they, in relatively short time, be competing successfully against gas-powered engines.

    Hey, if you're only interested in your own immediate needs, knock yourself out and stay with your gas engines. There are some, people, however, who recognize oil has caused a lot of unwanted pollution and is ultimately unsustainable.

    The very first gas engines did not work better than horses.
     
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    What I have against the Volt is that it's to expensive. You can only travel 25-35 miles with the battery before you have to use the engine.The engine takes high test gas which is more expensive. I think the battery is only guarantied for around 100,000 miles. After about 3-4 years, with 50,000=60,000 miles on it, the value of the car will go way down knowing a new battery is very expensive and ony a couple of years away. Same with any battery powered car. How much life is still in the battery will be a buyers main concern when buying a used battery powered vehicle. Bad resale value I'm sure.
     
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    It is NOT a concept car it is a production vehicle that they had scheduled for 45,000 units this year.


    And the pollution that result from electric cars? What about it?


    They had advantages that far outweighed horses and they weren't subsidized to the tune of $250,000 per car by government.

    And the Volt is a gas car that uses electricity for a very short term. When you are running on the battery you are lugging round a tank full of gas that is doing you no good and when the batteries run out you are lugging around a heavy battery pack that is just dead weight. It is a stupid idea.
     
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