Adam Kinzinger warns against equating Trump with Christ

You forgot to imply that he is a racist by accusing him of not liking a black president

 

Steve, I know you are trying to do a false comparison here. For starters, in 2008, the big debate within the Democratic Party is whether to Trust HRC or not. Obama was a "fresh face" in politics from his senate days to his days of campaigning for President. Furthermore, in that time, you had birther gate by the RW, you know, you guys, and called Obama the Muslim in the WH, the foreign person not born in the US, and so forth. And that is what DJT did, among other people within your party. And as a result, some Democrats made that argument. Obama had an average presidency. He handled certain crisis well such as the financial crisis of 2008 and the severe depression that came along with that. ARRA was a very complex bill, and necessary. Second, banks had to be relied in with the new regulations on housing. That was necessary. Third, towards his later years, we added more jobs in the last three years by 1.7 million more than in the first three years of Trump.

Now, McCain had a good chance at becoming President until he had Sarah Palin as his running mate. She wasn't prepared for that level and her political idealogy scared off many independents in November 2008. Hence why he lost,

Finally, racism is solely on the grounds of "modern conservatives" and MAGA supporters who really, really, really, don't want anyone of color to be in this country. And now, Christian Nationalism, which goes against everything the Constitution stands for is now the new mantra of the far right. Eventually, the independents may not like everything the Democrats do, but they are far better to work with than modern conservatives who are pretty much stuck in reverse and don't want to change with nature or society. Instead, they want to dictate their moral and religious values to others through ways such as the Stop Woke Act or thinking that the Church should dictate to the government. People who have not learned their lessons from history.

 

My beef with him is not whether he likes that candidate or this candidate, but that he is a pseudointellectual pretending to be an intellectual.

 

That sounds incredibly familiar... It sounds to me like it's hitting too close to home.

Except for he is actually rational and logical. He doesn't go around calling people racist for no reason. perhaps you should take notes from him.

It's funny how you liberal progressives........ Pretend that any criticism of any non-white person must be because of racism...

 

Have to say I feel sorry for anyone who can delude themselves to avoid having to adjust their beliefs. You missed one of the most widely known, one of my favorites- the bluehead wrasse. Having logged well over 1000 hours saltwater diving time, taught and certified around a thousand divers, leading group tours and promoting underwater film festivals... I know a bit about the nature of the ocean, and have personally known many of the famous people in that field at the time I was active in it. It was diving that gave me the opportunity to learn the secrets from from nature that changed my life and led me to success. But you don't ask, you just assume. I think you read some books..... think you understand how things work. But I don't think you have personally been there. Knowledge of some of the facts.... but no real understanding of the way their environment works, or why they thrive.

See- I don't care what your personal choices are, so long as they are limited to you. Once they begin to be imposed on others, they become the business of others, and they damn well better be rational and beneficial. Good men, honorable men, respect the rights of all people- and, they recognize those who don't, and call them out. That's not being judgmental because it has solid cause. It's observation of fact. If you can't handle being called out for crossing the line, don't cross the line. It's that simple.


And none of my arguments come from any disreputable person. Doesn't mean they may have said something similar, just as Biden labels his horrendous tax bill as an "Inflation reduction bill" Unscrupulous people often trade on the names or popular ideas to hide their atrocities. Doesn't make the idea bad; points out how those who mis-use the names are actually con men.

Several of them around.

 

The fake Christian right is becoming this country's version of the Taliban:
Now Christians are targeting women who wear pants (msn.com)
The religious right has celebrated the overturn of Roe v. Wade, but their obsession with controlling women’s bodies knows no satisfaction.

 

Regarding your last paragraph, I completely disagree.

Not only am I MAGA, so are most of my friends and family, and we do not care about a person's skin color, we care about values. All of us would have voted for Mia Love, Allen West, Ben Carson, Herschel Walker and the rest of them. I even had high hopes for Adams in NYC, but it seems he's turning out to be a loser.

What I'm thinking here is projection on your part, and you can correct me if I'm wrong. Right now Biden is filling positions based on identity, cons don't do that, we do it on merit. Back in 2016 democrats voted for a black guy because it would be historic, not because of merit - plus there was that Obamacare thing that really didn't work as he said it would. I voted for McC and Romney. Now I'll admit, both guys suck, but their values were a lot closer to mine than Obama's.

I managed people for a long time, and I didn't care what color, race, religion or gender a person was as long as he could do the job and not make me look bad. I feel the same way about politicians. If Allen West was nominated to run for president in 2024 I would not only vote for him, I would donate to his campaign. Do you want to know what a tough decision looks like? A tough decision is choosing between Trump and De Santis. I think Trump would rally the democrats which would make that race tough. De Santis, on the other hand, hasnt' been a victim of the left's campaign of hate* and would do better.

*if you're curious, you can ask me what I meant by that.

 

They'll be calling you a seditionist traitor if you support his rebellion after he loses the election in 2024, which is what he will be asking. I know you will be calling me a hysteric engaging in hyperbole for saying this and I really hope you're right but I honestly don't see how anyone can say he won't be doing this based on what he's done and continues to do which is always the best way to predict what someone will do in the future

 

What do you mean by the campaign of hate?

You and yours may be as you describe but Trump isn't and neither are the vast majority of Trumpers. Trump is a megalomaniac nut and most Trumpers are white supremacists who make Nazis look tolerant, (though they're not anti-Semitic except insofar as it serves their purposes). DeSantis is worse because he's smarter. All due respect but you're hopelessly naive if you disagree.

 

You clearly didn’t read the Bible did you?

 

So stupid and hyperbolic. So you believe that most of the 70 million people who voted for trump are white supremacists?

It’s FAR more accurate to say that the left hates white people than the right hates non-white people. It’s embedded in the democrat platform. Whereas the only thing you have to point to about how republicans or trump supporters are white supremacists are that most of them are white.

 

Name ONE policy that the republicans have enacted that discriminate against a group based on their race that is in place today.

Just name one. Because I can name DOZENS the democrats have enacted that discriminate against white people or as the Dems like to obfuscate their racism with, “the majority”.

It’s like y’all live in some deluded fairy tale world where everything is backwards. If ANY party out there is the party of hatred, racism and discrimination it’s the democrat party. It is LITERALLY endemic within their party platform to discriminate against whites.

And y’all are PERFECTLY okay with that while you dishonestly sit here and demand that we be ultra sensitive to even the APPEARANCE of discrimination against non-whites because you’re so supposedly outraged at discrimination.

 

Dominionists and Christo Fascists, one and the same. The Taliban model US version on it's way....

 

Non-whites are MINORITIES and the white majority has ALWAYS discriminated in their favor, as their just being a minority is a strike against them which is just about unavoidable.
Called having a "level playing field". Ever hear of the concept?

 

On its way ****, been here for some time

 

OK, but now it's in five alarm mode.

 

It's Trump. He's a 5-alarm conflagration anyhow anyway.

 

I don't know of anyone who equates Trump with Jesus. No politician is even Christ-like. Him history is, however, filled with examples where imperfect men and women have bee used as instruments of God's purposes on earth. I doubt Trump is even that.

 

So it’s acceptable to discriminate against whites. Just nobody else.

 

If they're the majority.

Have you ever been to sub-Saharan Africa?

 

No. But I have been to Jamaica. If I were to move to Jamaica, you assert that the majority black population should accept and allow discrimination against themselves in order to benefit me because I have white skin and I’m a minority?

 

Then why are modern conservatives want to put government back in the bedroom, to get rid of certain rights for women, the don't say gay, marginalize LGBTQ people and their rights and the list goes on., Values are important, but which values Steve? How about a fiscal conservative Gay person who has voted Republican since 18? Or are his values diferrent becasue he is gay? Or why do they want Christian refugees but not Muslim refugees even they are both coming from worn-torn countries? And then you have Christian nationalism making its way through the MAGA rank and file. Christian Nationalism basically means anything Christian as long as it is their view of Christianity and this can lead to white nationalism, which is prominent in the MAGA community through Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, and other such groups. I am not saying the Democrats are angels here because they too have their own problems, but for different reasons. You may claim values, but the actions I see are not values of any kind, just something else more disturbing.

This year, Texas GOP had their biannual state convention in June. In that convention, they made sure nothing "gay" was to be there or invited. This included Log Cabin Republicans and as the State GOP sees it, "they're child groomers" at the convention. Hogwash But that is the state of the GOP today and how they marganize certain groups for political gain as described in the paragraph above.

I have no qualms with the Bible being taught in public schools, as long as it is voluntary and teaches the literary significance of the Bible. Make it mandatory in public schools and that violates the no establishment clause. Prayer is of the same category, voluntary yes, and as long as other forms of religious prayer can take place too in public schools. But mandatory violates the no establishment clause of the US Constitution. We can also look at climate change, abortion, immigration, which I have plenty of experience with, and all the other issues. Instead, the MAGA crowd go so far off the deep end that the only acceptable anti abortion bill to them is total ban on abortion with no exceptions, that only immigrants from Western Europe should be allowed in, or that we have to deny climate change altogether. And with Trump, he is infalliable, never makes mistakes, etc. Then you have MTG who claims to be Israel's biggest friend but she speaks out antisemetic conspiracy theories from time to time. She is one of the biggest MAGA and Trump supporters out there. So yeah, I understood what you meant, but the real question is, do you practice your values with actions consistently or do you bow to the MAGA movement no matter which cliff they are getting ready to fall off from?

My personal opinion about Alan West is that he should have had an article 32 hearing for that incident he is known for, not an article 15. But war politics got in the way and we can we. As for Trump, Trump is doing now what he has always done from the lawsuits of some 400 small businesses who helped build his Taj Mahal casino in New Jersey to his constant legal trouble from NYC, NY state and other legal entities here in the US. So what he is doing is nothing new to me.

I think what Biden is doing on some positions is looking at identity as well as other factors. The media hinges on the fact that Justice Jackson is black and even Fox made that a point of emphasis, even though it was mostly negative, rather than look at her qualifications. But if you look at race first, then are you not marginalizing her qualififications from the get go? Like with every president, there are things I agree and disagee with. Sometimes the disagreement is how they approach or attempt to solve the problem at hand.

 

OP: I'll just leave this here...

 

I never argued about personal choices. I argued what Mother Nature is capable of, which was your argument BTW. And yes, there is sex changes that occur naturally within nature on certain species of fish, amphibians, and other animals. This documented evidence is incontrovertible by dozens of scientists across the globe, across nationalities, and across political spectrums. But you ignored that altogether, didn't you? Being a certified diver does not, I repeat, does not give you credibility here. It is anecdotal at best and you are not there to study the animals in such a way to make discoveries. If you are lucky, maybe one dive might allow you to see a fish you have never seen before, but that is it. It is a nice hobby to have. And with diving, it really does not matter if it is salt water or fresh water. But I do know that the deeper you go, the oxygen/nitrogen content has to be calculated just right to give you the maximum amount of air and the proper ascendant techniques so that you don't get the bends. But that's biology, isn't it. To study animals and their behavior?

If good men, honorable men, respect the rights of others, then why are those good men, honorable men, not respecting the rights of LGBTQ, women, minorities in this country, etc. You so want to stereotype them into something that they are not, don't you. Yes, I know what you say, but what you do is more important, isn't it?