Adam Schiff rejects reports that Mueller indictments are over, says special counsel could be called

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  1. Bluesguy

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    And Mueller can rightfully tell them to refer to the AG as THE LAW requires and as expected in spite of all the "just wait until Mueller releases his report that will nail him" and the left challenging the right to commit to accepting the results and now basically saying Mueller was incompetent and only THEY can properly investigate crimes. And any leads Mueller would have already investigated and indicted or referred to other prosecutors.
     
  2. LogNDog

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    You know Trump is going to ride this horse forever on twitter.
     
  3. Promise Hero

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    Keep spewing the Bull ignoramus. There are investigations apart from Cohen or before he was involved
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    On Monday, Trump’s foundation suffered another major blow when the New York attorney general’s office ordered the charity to immediately suspend fundraising in the state, and warned that refusing to do so would be “continuing fraud”.
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    into the Trump family and how the president made his money.
    The article claims that Donald Trump made much of his money early in life from his father, Fred Trump, via a series of “tax dodges.”
     
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    Not to mention he will use it during the 2020 campaign.
     
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  5. WillReadmore

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    Mueller is a Republican, selected by a Republican, reporting to the Republican AG selected by Trump in a Republican administration.

    What are you suggesting "Libs are doing"?

    This whole thing is a Republican show.
     
  6. Bluesguy

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    The law governing Special Counsels which is being discuss on all channels, don't start playing dumb.
     
  7. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Bush could not "pardon" an impeachment. Impeachments aren't pardonable and Clinton remains an impeached President. So you cannot cite Bush saying what you claimed.
     
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    More ignoramus rambling bull crap. Mueller will be happy to testify before congress and hand more leads to the investigating committees. We've only scratched the surface. Trump is already losing fans who are fed up with him. .
     
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    Not aware of Mueller’s responsibilities? Not surprised.
     
  10. The Mello Guy

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    Kids birthday party today, I have seen zero tv news since mueller issued his report.
    I’ve read some on it and not seen that claim.
     
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    Manafort copped a plea and agreed to cooperate.

    "Weeks later, just three days before he was due to go on trial in Washington, Manafort pleaded guilty to conspiracy charges in that court. He also agreed to cooperate with Mueller's investigation of Russian interference in the presidential election, and possible collusion by members of Trump's campaign. Trump denies any wrongdoing by his campaign.

    In November, Mueller accused Manafort of violating his plea agreement by lying about his contacts with alleged Russian spy Konstantin Kilimnik, a former associate
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    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/21/ex-...fort-to-be-sentenced-in-virginia-march-8.html

    Conspiracy is the key:

    "According to his plea deal, the offenses against the government include money laundering, tax fraud, failure to file foreign bank account reports, violations of the Foreign Agents Registration Act, and lying to the Department of Justice."
    https://www.vox.com/2018/9/14/17860410/conspiracy-against-the-united-states-paul-manafort-plea

    When all this stuff is unredacted, I think we're going to find there was a conspiracy by Manafort to receive and launder money in exchange for providing stuff like polling data to the Ukranians and getting the sanctions lifted off Russia.

    We know there was a conspiracy; Manafort plead guilty to it. And we know Manafort was committing "bold" crimes WHILE campaign manager. The question is, did Trump know Manafort was doing all this criminal stuff while he was Trump's campaign president. It seems awfully odd that Trump didn't know this was going on, while he was pursuing a real estate deal in Russia. It may be that Mueller suspects Trump of being involved in the conspiracy but either A) can't prove it or B) can't indict a sitting President.

    I'm going to predict that this will be like the Starr report: a scathing indictment of Trump that compels the Democrats to impeach him. What is your prediction? Do you think Trump will be exonerated?
     
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    It's just like any other conspiracy theory. Replace Russians with reptilians it Illuminati and it's the same script.
     
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    What a vague stupid comment just what I expect from a fan of the jumping Trumpanzee
     
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    Wow - that was a major meander!

    Congress absolutely can subpoena Mueller to give testimony. There could be several reasons where they would see that as essentially a requirement. (One reason: Barr might refuse to hand over the full package of evidence to congressional committees that subpoena that evidence.) Regardless of the reason, Mueller can not just point out that he used to be a special prosecutor under Barr, so go ask Barr!!

    I don't know where your claims of incompetence come from.

    Mueller did NOT have to indict everyone he saw as indictable. That was NOT his brief. There could be all sorts of stuff in Mueller's evidence + report that would justify further prosecutions, and those infractions can still be prosecuted.
     
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    Well Robert, I remember the Kennedy vs Nixon campaign in 1960 too. My father was an I Like Ike guy who was recently back from serving under General MacArthur in the 5th Army Air Corp.. He took me to see JFK in the summer of 1960 in our home town McKeesport Pa. My dad (a pure Irishman)was very impressed with JFK and he and my mother both campaigned and voted for him. I moved to California in 1964 and my old man was for Goldwater. I have followed every election since.

    I distinctly remember the Watergate hearings too. It seemed that they got to the truth in that case and Nixon was forced to resign. I also remember the Iran Contra scandal. Reagan and Bush kept their mouths shut and did not attack those investigating the matter. Then Clinton and his wife were relentlessly investigated throughout his 8 years. Again, Clinton kept his mouth shut and never personally attacked those who were investigating him, even though several of his associates were arrested and jailed during the investigation. The way Susan MacDougal was treated was barbaric to say the least. They nailed Clinton for lying about a consensual sexual encounter in Federal Court during a civil trial and was impeached by the GOP controlled congress.

    Trump and his fans are acting like they are the only ones who have ever been investigated for seemingly political reasons in the history of the US. What Trump and his cohorts are being investigated for is far more serious than what Nixon’s (covering up for political chicanery) or Clinton’s (involvement in a shady small time land deal).

    There have been credible allegations about members of Trumps inner circle being involved with foreign criminals and spies. Felix Sater had an office right next to Trump in the Tower. Manafort had dealings with several Russian crooks with close ties to Putin and his pack of thieving money launderers. This investigation is anything but a witch hunt and Americans should be glad as hell a spotlight has been cast over these cockroaches.

    Several high ranking FBI agents who specialize in Russian counterespionage (Strzok) and Russian Organized Crime (McCabe and Ohr) noticed that many of Trumps people were involved with known Russian Criminals. If they had NOT started an investigation into these ties, that would be dereliction of duty. I would bet that Mueller’s report will make that quite clear.

    My hope is that all of Mueller’s investigation is made public. If Barr tries to conceal or classify any of it, I hope that the congress raises hell until everything is out in the open including any malfeasance committed by law enforcement personnel. We deserve to see everything. These guys work for us, not the other way around.
     
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    The weird part of this is that it has nothing to do with Democrats.

    Mueller is a Republican. He was chosen by a Republican. The AG was selected by Trump, and the AG has control of the investigation, etc. Republicans held the House and Senate at the time.

    Yet, you and Trump seem to think this is being perpetrated by .Democrats!

    We're just seeing a years long screed of lies from Trump.

    And, I certainly agree that will NEVER stop.
     
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    Bottom line:

    1) The entire report (and all underlying investigative materials) needs to be released (with no redactions).

    2) Any ambiguity (that leave certain questions unanswered) needs to be thoroughly investigated by House Committees.

    3) Anything that can be helpful to SDNY (or any other jurisdiction) needs to be turned over to the appropriate authorities.


    ^At a Bare Minimum.:flagus:
     
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    Let Republican officials cover up details in the Mueller report. That in itself will cause an outcry from the public. The Republicans will now be the center of a scandalous coverup along with Trump in never ending news cycles as the Democrat House demands full disclosure.
     
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    It's a hoax.
     
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    Trump is already screwed. Duh you do realize that even now Trump can't pass any major legislation and never will with the Dems in charge of the House. They won the House by the largest margin in history and they're not going any where soon.Once the Dems own the Senate it'll be worse for him so eat it.
     
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  21. Robert

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    First off, I do not recall a thing about the 1960 election. See, I did not like Nixon who to me was an arch criminal and he had not even been president. And Kennedy was the golden boy. We Democrats did not need any campaign. We made up our minds from as far back as 1932. We hated republicans so passionately that no republican was on our radar to vote for. Well, history tells me Kennedy escaped defeat. Nixon lost by a few controversial votes.

    I once owned an appraisal firm. Imagine my anger were Mueller to have put me under the microscope and the media blasted me over Russian connections simply due to a few appraisers on the staff having spoken Russian and talked to some of them? Factually I employed one Chinese appraiser and what if I was hauled to Mueller's office due to her speaking fluent Chinese?

    Wait, it happened to you in my story. Bless your heart if you would have wanted to be investigated or have your name dragged through the Democrats party muck machine.

    I am not excusing any of the guilty.

    I am hitting hard at the fact there has to be probable cause to cause an investigation.

    Mueller at last cleared the Trump name.
     
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    Err....

    Was talking about Democrat leadership, strategizing against Trump :)
     
  23. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Fortunately for the second Trump term, those Democrats in the house can be defeated.

    So enjoy your two years of shame.
     
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    Yes, he is your fuhrer. I'm in no doubt about that. You have worshipped the fake strong man with some of the most obseqious fawning anywhere.

    And Barr didn't say no collusion. They said no indictments.

    Oh, and most of those things you call ""sources close to the investigation", no more speculation based on hearsay and false rumors." are still true.
     
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    If it were true, there'd be an indictment...OH WAIT.

    Not my fuhrer, he's a president. I'm my own fuhrer, thank you. I don't worship anybody. People with a sense of self confidence don't worship people.

    I just know the real truth, not the fake one.
     

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