African Americans are very racist?

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Australia is a very intellectually immature country, and its populations child-like naivety of allowing small "dog & pony" do-gooder groups to manipulate and control important issues is astounding. Australians have this uncanny ability of not wanting to learn from other countries learned mistakes, and we end-up being ten years behind everyone else.

Unfortunately, the majority of "Aussies" will intellectually be where the USA is now, in another ten years time.

 

Maybe so regarding a generalized willingness or ability to buck your Left's form of Political Correctness. It's always hard to tell about these things. Over here it seems that the proliferation of Internet chat forums dedicated to political discussions has helped accelerate the process since real time discussions of unfolding events occur. I think that knowing these are U.S. based forums has helped opposition poster feel psychologically comfortable bucking the P.C. crowd. Nothing like anonymous posting in protected circumstances to allow a people to let their hair down and really comment from the heart as well as embrace cold, hard logic.

It also helps that more and more of us are seeking our news from a variety of Internet sources rather than just getting it from government influenced or party influenced sources. Well . . . most of them are still influenced one way or the other but we are no longer restricted in only being able to access government influenced media perspectives. Many of us -- ironically -- are now accessing the BBC in order to discover what's really happening inside the United States. Wild, yes?

That brings me around to something else. Just as you mentioned that Australia seems to be about a decade behind the United States in dealing with some issues the United States tends to be at least that far behind in comparison to the British (meaning essentially the London-based population) regarding the general awareness of the long term effects of leftwing Political Correctness.

For instance the British (as are the Germans) have begun to warn the world about the negative effects that Multiculturalism has in regards to allowing Muslims to create what essentially amounted to autonomous Sharia Law zones inside their cities whereas our leftwingers are just waiting for an opportunity to ram such a thing down this nation's collective throat in the increasingly destructive name of Political Correctness.

So . . . there remain plenty of hot topic issues and the Left never, ever learns anything meaningful from their countless 'errors' regarding their Social or (for that matter) their Economic Engineering efforts. They never EVER learn.

 

That's very odd. There is an identical situation in the US.

Kennewick Man. A skeleton was discovered in Washington State that was estimated to be several thousand years old, far predating European settlement, but the skeleton had Caucasoid features. The skeleton was returned to the Native American tribes in the area and is unavailable for study, despite numerous requests.

http://www.mnh.si.edu/arctic/html/kennewick_man.html

 

Actually he is still at the Burke Museum but access is restricted due to the Native American Graves and Repatriation Act(NAGPRA)...

http://www.burkemuseum.org/kennewickman

So basically we can't study them because noone wants to offend the local tribe who most likely didn't live anywhere near the region when the man died, if they(that particular wave) were even on the continent yet.

Science stymied by superstitious stupidity yet again.

 

Lake Mungo 1 skeletal remains were discovered in 1969, and Lake Mungo in 1974. There was NO information given to the public about the mtDNA testing done on Lake Mungo, before the remains were unconditionally "repatriated" to the indigenous people of Australia in 1992. Considering the previous preliminary testing indicated that Lake mungo was an entirely different species to modern day Australian Aborigines, then I don't believe the indigenous people have a legal right to stop further testing on the remains.

I personally believe that Australian politicians and do-gooder groups are riding on a guilt ridden sympathy train, and have completely forgotten how to be critically objective anymore. As a result, the truth about Australian history will be hidden under a blanket of convenient lies and deceit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Mungo_remains

 

I think these indigenous people claiming these ancient skeletal remains are their ancestors, is more about them trying to hide the truth from everyone. If testing on these pre-historic remains proves these people's are not genetically linked, then all the indigenous land-rights claims goes up in smoke.

 

Actually that makes sense from a legal standpoint. I don't know what the "truth" is but they prolly don't want to set any precedent that might undermine their claim.

 

I don't know of many countries where you can freely go about digging up bodies without permission...why is an aboriginal body any different? I can imagine the outcry if aboriginals starting digging up abandoned European graveyards and putting the remains on display and doing scientific tests on them...

 

whether they are or are not ancestors of today's aboriginals would make no difference as to indigenous land claims, they were in possession of the land when Europeans arrived...

 

I can understand anyone having apprehension and concerns about digging up graveyards, but when the skeletal remains of Lake Mungo Man 1 & 3 were discovered, they were "repatriated" to the indigenous people on the belief these remains were their ancestors.

Preliminary DNA testing on the skeletal remains of Lake Mungo Man 1 & 3 indicated that Lake Mungo Man 1 & 3 were a completely different species to the modern day indigenous Aborigines, and no genetic links between the two species were found. It is scientifically indicating that Lake Mungo 1 & 3 are not the ancestors of modern day Australian Aborigines. Therefore, they should have no legal right to stop further testing on these remains to find out "who" these people really were.

We currently have indigenous people verbally saying these 40,000 year old skeletal remains are their ancestors without any evidence or proof, but we have preliminary scientific DNA testing as proof that is suggesting the opposite, which scenario would you believe?

I strongly believe that if the indigenous people have nothing to hide, then they should offer small samples of each skeletal remain for independent scientific testing. You only try to hide something when you know you're not telling the truth.

 

I believe it would to an extent, because Australian Aborigines claim "they" were the first Australians. Proving another species lived in Australia before modern day Aborigines would be an interesting concept.

 

I agree with you but not everyone sees things the same way and we need to respect that...I had the same discussion with my daughter after I read your post(she's an archeologist) and she wants access to unclaimed and unidentified remains as well...this is an educational as well as cultural issue, I doubt many aborigines are archeologists and many are distrustful of whitie claiming these aren't aboriginals, they have been poorly treated so it should be no surprise there are trust issues...and maybe as they see it, it doesn't matter, these ancient people lived in Australia and therefore they are the same as them and deserve to be treated with respect...

I looked into the lake mungo finds and what from what I read the evidence is pointing to homo erects which is very interesting...

as I understand it they have joint custody of the remains with the archeologists so there will come a time for more analysis...

which is much better than in some regions of N America where some aboriginal groups have reclaimed remains then burnt and buried the evidence...

 

Why these events always have to involve a "race" issue is beyond me. Archaeology is scientific discipline, and should not be corrupted by emotional issues.

Everyone has the right to know the true history of their country and how humanity evolved throughout the planet, it should be kept a secret by people or groups enveloped in racist issues.

I hope one day our politicians will see logic, and how it will benefit everyone, by stopping these indigenous peoples from claiming these discovered remains when they are found , and allow scientific testing before they are handed over.

 

I agree but it's a race issue because the aboriginals were the victims of a racism...

again I agree you're all Australians it should belong to all Australians regardless when they arrived there... the aborigines have been excluded from being included in national mix for so long I understand why they're bitter and stubborn...

 

There are not many Australians who don't empathise in the way previous Aboriginal people were treated by white Australians, but I think its time for that to be left in the past where it belongs. I personally don't think its psychologically healthy for both cultures to keep dragging past issues along with us into the future. We don't have to forget what happened, but we don't need reminding all the time either. Considering there are not many Australians still alive today who were involved in atrocities that occured.