After two years of silence Mueller finally speaks

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  1. jack4freedom

    jack4freedom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No one, because no crimes occurred.
     
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    But nowhere does Mueller concretely demonstrate that Trump acted with an intent to obtain an improper advantage for himself or someone else, inconsistent with official duty and the rights of others. Absent said demonstration, obstruction does not exist.

    You won't respond to this because you know I am right.
     
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    But nowhere does Mueller concretely demonstrate that Trump acted with an intent to obtain an improper advantage for himself or someone else, inconsistent with official duty and the rights of others. Absent said demonstration, obstruction does not exist.

    You won't respond to this because you know I am right.
     
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    Laughable.
     
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    NOt flattering Myself I actually did read it. Duh the AG does not need a Judicial order to see the Grand Jury transcripts congress by laws it passed itself does. Naddled knows this, hell he helped write the rules back in the nineties.
     
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    I would not say Hillary did not commit crimes related to the election. She paid for Russian intelligence. And it was bogus.
     
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    “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.”

    "WikiLeaks, I love WikiLeaks."

    In December 2016, before he became President, Trump instructed Mike Flynn to make a deal with the Russian ambassador concerning Obama's sanctions against Russia for interfering in our election.

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    “I just fired the head of the F.B.I. He was crazy, a real nut job. I faced great pressure because of Russia. That’s taken off.. I’m not under investigation.”

    Trump sent his son, son-in-law, and campaign manager to meet representatives of the Russian government in Trump Tower -- Trump's home -- on June 9, 2016 to get dirt on Clinton.

    Mueller provided eleven examples of obstruction in Volume Two. http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019...ossible-obstruction-mueller-investigated.html

    Do you know how hard it is to convict a mafia boss of a crime, any crime? Very hard. Why? Because the mafia boss never, ever does his own dirty work. He always, always gets someone else to do it for him and he never,ever, leaves a paper trail.

    Some Russian operatives wanted to help out Trump. They wanted to provide him some dirt on Clinton, and it was clear this was coming from the Russian government.

    Did Trump meet with the Russians in Trump Tower on June 9, 2016? Hell no. He sent his son, son-in-law, and campaign manager.

    Like I said, a mafia boss always gets someone else to do the dirt work.
     
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    jack4freedom said:
    No one, because no crimes occurred.

    Great, now provide a source that explains that crimes were committed.

    You can't. Trump's fans make a habit of throwing accusations around they cannot support, which, of course, is a form of outright lying.
     
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    That was a joke. Why do you think every one there laughed? By the time Trump actually said that the only way the Russian could have found them was if they already had them the server and 14 black berries having been either bit bleached or destroyed.
     
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    At some point, you will address the fact that nowhere does Mueller concretely demonstrate that Trump acted with an intent to obtain an improper advantage for himself or someone else, inconsistent with official duty and the rights of others. Absent said demonstration, obstruction does not exist.

    Oh wait - no you won''t.
    Because you know you can't.

    You won't respond to this because you know I am right.
     
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    Still waiting for you to address the fact hat nowhere does Mueller concretely demonstrate that Trump acted with an intent to obtain an improper advantage for himself or someone else, inconsistent with official duty and the rights of others

    Still waiting for your to address the fact that absent said demonstration, obstruction does not exist

    But you won't, because you know I am right.
     
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    The “dossier” was presented to the FISA judges as verified and 100% true. Of course it was complete bullish-t. That’s a crime.
     
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    You have been hoodwinked by the phony news you read and hear. Her campaign paid an American opposition research group which was first hired by GOP candidates. All serious candidates use these opo research groups. Tell me what crime she would be charged with in this matter. I sure don’t see anything there. As usual you are grossly misinformed and your comment is totally false.
     
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    Neither Sean Hannity or a third rate internet troll like you get to decide what is and is not a crime. Lard ass Barr will not charge anyone with a crime regarding these FISA warrants. He is simply running a stall and smokescreen show for Trump who has probably paid him off in advance.
     
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    Be careful. Robert always wants to change the subject. Usually, he uses Hillary or Obama. Although a Trump fan, he never wants to discuss Trump.

    This thread concerns Trump, Mueller, and Barr.
     
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    Yeah, sure. The problem with Trump's "jokes" is that they are the truth. On national television, he told Lester Holt the very same thing.

    Was that a joke, too?

    You are right about one thing. Trump should never be taken seriously.
     
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    Barr is acting like Trump's defense attorney.

    Barr is paying little attention to what Mueller reported. He is concentrating his efforts on investigating the investigators, and he spent the entire interview on speculation, asking provocative questions, and providing baseless scenarios.

    That is exactly what a defense attorney does, providing alternatives to his client's apparent guilt.

    Barr has lost the respect of his peers. He is no longer acting as an impartial prosecutor. That was clearly evident in the interview. In fact, Barr doesn't seem to care. He is flaunting his obvious support for the "unitary executive," meaning Trump.

    For example, he said the use of foreign intelligence and counterintelligence capabilities against an American political campaign is a "serious red line that’s been crossed." Barr said he believed that the investigative activities directed at the Trump campaign flouted typical procedures."

    What is he talking about? Foreign intelligence? He doesn't say. The special counsel was appointed because of Russian interference in our election. The FBI and CIA use "counterintelligence capabilities" to counter foreign interference. What is he talking about?

    Barr "believed that the investigative activities directed at the Trump campaign flouted typical procedures." He never explained what he was talking about. What procedures? How were they "flouted?"

    "I mean, republics have fallen because of a Praetorian Guard mentality where government officials get very arrogant," Barr said. Does that emotional statement sound like the the U.S. Attorney General, like an impartial prosecutor? If you think that, you are beyond all help.

    Again, he is acting like a defense attorney, throwing crap against a wall hoping something sticks. For the U.S. Attorney General, the interview was a sickening display. I hope Trump is paying Barr a lot of money because Barr is losing everything he holds dear, his reputation, his self-respect, everything.
     
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    Sorry 2+2 does not equal eight. Comey told Trump he, Trump, was not under investigation so those were likely two unconnected statements.
     
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    A whole bunch of people in the Deep State have lost their jobs because of their shenanigans. And the fun is just starting. Get your popcorn.
     
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    No AG has ever been more corrupt than Holder, Obama's wingman.
     
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    Deep State....Make sure you change the tin foil in your hat at least twice a day and double it up on alternating Fridays. You can’t be too careful.

    Btw, those who were fired like Strzok, Page and McCabe were victims of a political hatchet job. What Trump did to McCabe was disgusting and petty. Strzok and Page acted stupidly by using official FBI devices to discuss their personal feelings about Trump in texts, but neither of them committed anything even close to a crime.
     
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    McCabe's own co-workers recommended his firing, not the President....this was after an Obama appointed IG discovered his lies. McCabe got what he deserved.

    Page is very interesting, it appears from recent testimony she is willing to save her own arse. She revealed that it was Lynch all along that made the choice not to prosecute Clinton, well before the investigation was even complete. Highlighting, the fix was in the bag, and the "investigation" was merely for show. Moreover she revealed that way back in 2016 the FBI was well aware there was no Trump-Russia conspiracy....it was all false accusations by the left in a failed attempt to undo the 2016 election.

    https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/4...t-prove-trump-russia-collusion-before-mueller

    https://video.foxnews.com/v/6013806772001/
     
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    Oh brother. The ignorance around this is stunning from someone that thinks they are so smart. Barr unredacted the national security parts and sent that to Congress but the dems refuse to read it. Barr cannot unilaterally unredact grand jury information without breaking the law. That would be up to a court.

    The useful idiots gloss over what Mueller did and said. First, Barr expected the Mueller team to do the redacting but they did none so it took time to identify what needed to be unredacted. Second, Mueller thanked Barr for releasing the whole report to Congress, which he was not legally obliged to do.

    Mueller broke protocol and threw jurisprudence on it's head. Now, guilty until proven innocent. Prosecutors do not exonerate anyone, they either find guilt or not. Barr and Rosenstein agreed with Mueller that he did not find evidence of guilt.

    Now that the full report is released the nutcases on the left whine about Barr hiding something. You just cannot make this stuff up.
     
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    It's called a free and fair election that evidently is now thought to be unconstitutional by the hysteric lefties.
     
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    For the poorly educated.

     

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