Ageism and Fetophobia of the Abortionists

Mm hm...

 

Pasithea said,

Yes thank God you aren't. Pregnancy is the most natural thing in the world…sure complications can happen…but most women don't experience anything. If they did…no one would do it.

 

These are just physical…you didn't even mention the worse….EMOTIONAL-DEPRESSION…that can lead to suicidal thoughts and worse..

Most abortion deaths deal with anesthetic…and the fact that most abortion doctors are not qualified to administer it.

 

more ageism and fetophobia

 

Bored today? Have to dig up old threads and lie to fuel the hate?

 

Normal, frequent or expectable temporary side effects of pregnancy:

exhaustion (weariness common from first weeks)
altered appetite and senses of taste and smell
nausea and vomiting (50% of women, first trimester)
heartburn and indigestion
constipation
weight gain
dizziness and light-headedness
bloating, swelling, fluid retention
hemmorhoids
abdominal cramps
yeast infections
congested, bloody nose
acne and mild skin disorders
skin discoloration (chloasma, face and abdomen)
mild to severe backache and strain
increased headaches
difficulty sleeping, and discomfort while sleeping
increased urination and incontinence
bleeding gums
pica
breast pain and discharge
swelling of joints, leg cramps, joint pain
difficulty sitting, standing in later pregnancy
inability to take regular medications
shortness of breath
higher blood pressure
hair loss
tendency to anemia
curtailment of ability to participate in some sports and activities
infection including from serious and potentially fatal disease
(pregnant women are immune suppressed compared with non-pregnant women, and are more susceptible to fungal and certain other diseases)
extreme pain on delivery
hormonal mood changes, including normal post-partum depression
continued post-partum exhaustion and recovery period (exacerbated if a c-section -- major surgery -- is required, sometimes taking up to a full year to fully recover)
Normal, expectable, or frequent PERMANENT side effects of pregnancy:

stretch marks (worse in younger women)
loose skin
permanent weight gain or redistribution
abdominal and vaginal muscle weakness
pelvic floor disorder (occurring in as many as 35% of middle-aged former child-bearers and 50% of elderly former child-bearers, associated with urinary and rectal incontinence, discomfort and reduced quality of life)
changes to breasts
varicose veins
scarring from episiotomy or c-section
other permanent aesthetic changes to the body (all of these are downplayed by women, because the culture values youth and beauty)
increased proclivity for hemmorhoids
loss of dental and bone calcium (cavities and osteoporosis)
Occasional complications and side effects:

complications of episiotomy
spousal/partner abuse
hyperemesis gravidarum
temporary and permanent injury to back
severe scarring requiring later surgery
(especially after additional pregnancies)
dropped (prolapsed) uterus (especially after additional pregnancies, and other pelvic floor weaknesses -- 11% of women, including cystocele, rectocele, and enterocele)
pre-eclampsia (edema and hypertension, the most common complication of pregnancy, associated with eclampsia, and affecting 7 - 10% of pregnancies)
eclampsia (convulsions, coma during pregnancy or labor, high risk of death)
gestational diabetes
placenta previa
anemia (which can be life-threatening)
thrombocytopenic purpura
severe cramping
embolism (blood clots)
medical disability requiring full bed rest (frequently ordered during part of many pregnancies varying from days to months for health of either mother or baby)
diastasis recti, also torn abdominal muscles
mitral valve stenosis (most common cardiac complication)
serious infection and disease (e.g. increased risk of tuberculosis)
hormonal imbalance
ectopic pregnancy (risk of death)
broken bones (ribcage, "tail bone")
hemorrhage and
numerous other complications of delivery
refractory gastroesophageal reflux disease
aggravation of pre-pregnancy diseases and conditions (e.g. epilepsy is present in .5% of pregnant women, and the pregnancy alters drug metabolism and treatment prospects all the while it increases the number and frequency of seizures)
severe post-partum depression and psychosis
research now indicates a possible link between ovarian cancer and female fertility treatments, including "egg harvesting" from infertile women and donors
research also now indicates correlations between lower breast cancer survival rates and proximity in time to onset of cancer of last pregnancy
research also indicates a correlation between having six or more pregnancies and a risk of coronary and cardiovascular disease
Less common (but serious) complications:

peripartum cardiomyopathy
cardiopulmonary arrest
magnesium toxicity
severe hypoxemia/acidosis
massive embolism
increased intracranial pressure, brainstem infarction
molar pregnancy, gestational trophoblastic disease
(like a pregnancy-induced cancer)
malignant arrhythmia
circulatory collapse
placental abruption
obstetric fistula
More permanent side effects:
future infertility
permanent disability
death.







And if YOU had to face all that you'd run to the nearest abortion clinic....and so would most men...

 

Care to prove that brain waves can be detected after 42 days?

 

Still waiting for the proof

 

There is a long list of side efffects and potential medical complications from an abortion also. Many of the potential side effects are exactly the same.

Electrical activity can be reliably measured in the fetus about six weeks after conception.
J. Goldenring, "Development of the Fetal Brain," New England Jour. of Med., Aug. 26, 1982, p. 564

The fetus can suck its thumb and squirm at 12 weeks. If that's not a sign of "brain activity", I don't know what is. But I'm sure choicers will think up some excuse.

 

Sorry old chap but "electrical activity" is NOT the same thing as "organised brain activity" and it is a THIRTY YEAR OLD PAPER!!

Geeeeesh!!!
http://php.med.unsw.edu.au/embryology/index.php?title=AE_Practical_-_Neural_Histology

 

Even if that were true which it isn't, I am correct, MEN would have a very different view on abortion if they had to face all that.

It's soooo easy and COWARDLY to declare what someone else SHOULD do when one is not, and will NEVER be, in their position.

 

Sucking and squirming are instincts....not a goood indication of brain activity.

 

Then why are so many women pro-life?



We even have a pro-life member in this forum who has also gone through the unfortunate experience of an abortion.

Plenty of women have had a point in their life where they came close to getting an abortion, but made the right choice and decided not to. There are many women who were pro-choice before they had an abortion, but became pro-life immediately afterwards, or later in life once they came to terms with their own feelings about their abortion they were suppressing. I have already posted links to numerous examples of this in other threads.

 

As already stated electrical activity are not brain waves, your "evidence" has been thoroughly debunked numerous times;

Source - http://eileen.undonet.com/Main/infrmdC/Brain_Waves.htm

 

So what if SOME women are anti-Choice misogynists? I commented on MEN ...and it still stands:
""""Even if that were true which it isn't, I am correct, MEN would have a very different view on abortion if they had to face all that.

It's soooo easy and COWARDLY to declare what someone else SHOULD do when one is not, and will NEVER be, in their position. """"


That's true even for women but I was discussing MEN's feelings about pregnancy and abortion.....so SOME would try to sidetrack that cowardice by mentioning women.


Ya, I know some women (ALLEGEDLY) get THEIR abortion and then don't think anyone else should have one, hipocrisy at it's finest.

 

"Brain waves" have been detected in Jell-o, so that's hardly convincing.

http://eileen.undonet.com/Main/infrmdC/Brain_Waves.htm

Remember, an EEG involves measuring varying electrical potential across a dipole, or separated charges. To get scalp or surface potentials from the cortex requires three things: neurons, dendrites, and axons, with synapses between them. Since these requirements are not present in the human cortex before 20-24 weeks of gestation, it is not possible to record "brain waves" prior to 20-24 weeks. Period. End of story. Scientists do not attempt to find electrocortical activity in embryos and fetuses because they know more about the physical structure of the developing human brain than they did in 1963............

But the human part of the brain—the cortex—is not fully developed, as shown by "brain waves" on an EEG, until very late in gestation; in fact the EEG continues to change and mature into childhood. Indeed, the "individuating" function of a person's brain doesn't start to come into existence until the outer surface of the cortex begins to develop those deep furrows, grooves, and convolutions (sulci and gyri) that make a human brain look like a walnut, unlike the smooth brains of other animals. The furrows and grooves are what enable our brains to have millions more cells and connections between them than other animals, and so create our humanity. And the precise configuration of the grooves and convolutions are part of what determines our individuality; why, for instance, indentical twins have different personalities, and even, perhaps, why Einstein was a genius. However, these structures don't begin to form until the last 2 months of pregnancy.

 

The technology of imaging the electrical activity in the fetus's brain, using superconducting quantum interference detectors, is advancing rapidly. Soon abortionists will have nowhere left to hide.

Sheridan CJ, Matuz T, Draganova R, Eswaran H, Preissl H. Fetal Magnetoencephalography - Achievements and Challenges in the Study of Prenatal and Early Postnatal Brain Responses: A Review. Infant and child development. 2010;19(1):80-93.

http://www.ese.wustl.edu/~nehorai/research/ra/ellip.html


Here is a magnetoencephalogram image of electrical activity in an adult brain:
http://maki.bme.ntu.edu.tw/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/lorazepam_meg-940x360.png

It is hoped that the same detail of imaging will be possible for fetal brains, which are smaller and more difficult to image because the tiny magnetic fields have to go through the insulation of the uterus, which obscures the signal.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15498539

 

As more misogyny , hate, misinformation, mental conditions like control and power issues are exposed, the Anti-Choice/Anti-Woman/Anti-Freedom faction will have nowhere to hide......not even by ignoring pertinent posts

 

You mean the mis-fety, hate, misinformation, mental conditions, and power and control issues of the anti-fetus faction who seek to deny the unborn any future?
Abortion is Anti-Freedom and Anti-choice. It infringes on the freedom of the fetus, and it forever takes away any choice the unborn human life will ever have.

 

In your effort to be cute you , of course, don't realize that the "unborn" don't have a choice, never had a choice and will not have a choice on whether or not to be born....were YOU given a choice on whether you wanted to be born or not? NO, and no one else was either.....how do you propose to change that???

 

"Hoped" so they can't do it yet then . .so your assertion that brain waves are present at 42 days is a lie .. bood to know you are a liar.

 

Kinda make me wonder why women are allowed to vote, since they will never be subject to the draft in a war - but they can sure vote for them, hold office and tell men when and where to risk their lives. Also, interestingly enough, many pro-lifers are women - who endure the very conditions you lament so much over.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/147734/Americans-Split-Along-Pro-Choice-Pro-Life-Lines.aspx

So I am a little bewildered by what it is you're getting at.

 

Well, a newborn child essentially does the same thing. Besides, apparently a brain regardless of activity is optional...obviously this is a rare condition and anectdotal at best. But it is obviously a child. Other reports say that the kid learned to recognize when people were in the room. Although that too is anectdotal.

There are those of that mindset, and yes they are hypocrites if they feel that way, but apparently killing your own offspring seems to have an affect on the motherly conscience of some. But are you suggesting one cannot learn from a bad mistake and try to help others avoid it? Like say drunk driving?

 

Women may not qualify for the draft(and no one else should either) BUT they fight in war, are maimed in war, die in war and if you denigrate their service you are Anti-American.
And since WHEN do women start and direct wars.....that's still in the hands of men.....AND it sure sounds like you're bitter about women having equal rights....goes right to what I see as Anti-Abortion equally misogyny.

And just because a woman is an Anti-Choicer ....what has that to do with anything???? Women are quite capable of hatng women.


So you're bewildered at what I'm getting at???

IT is really very simple....try reading slowly...


"""", I am correct, MEN would have a very different view on abortion if they had to face all that.

It's soooo easy and COWARDLY to declare what someone else SHOULD do when one is not, and will NEVER be, in their position."""

 

While I share the position supporting abortion rights, your attribution of malice towards women as the motive for opposing abortion is unfair. A simple case of wishing the unborn to be protected is the primary motive.