AHCA Must Be Passed

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  1. Margot2

    Margot2 Banned

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    For God's sake.. that was 40 years ago.
     
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    Danneskjold Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Lol the technology has been the same for 40 years? Don't be daft. The US is a powerhouse.
     
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    The federal government needs to get OUT of healthcare and put it back in the hands of the private sector. I do not want any more bills/reforms passed on the basis that they are "better than nothing".
     
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    Especially when they turn out to be less than nothing!
     
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  5. Margot2

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    You think every hospital in America that has an MRI is paying for R&D? You think that world wide use of MRIs is paying for US R&D?

    MRIs are cheaper all over the world.
     
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    Agreed.. Start by shutting down the VA which is the most expensive healthcare in America.
     
  7. Danneskjold

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    The hospital is paying for the machine. Those funds are coming from the insurance companies. The biggest profit margins is the whole scheme go to the people making the machines they score about 20% profit.
     
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    Whether they are corporate for profit or not for profit they buy MRIs .. So what? Insurance companies aren't buying them.
     
  9. Danneskjold

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    Insurance companies are buying them. Where do you think the hospital gets the money to buy a 5 millon dollar machine? Most hospitals are not for profit.
     
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    I don't know if they chose the ACA as much as they were caught with their pants down completely able to craft legislation. It's ridiculous when you think about how many repeal attempts and crying they've done for the last 7 years. No one actually sat down and thought about what might happen if a repeal went through.
     
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    Bottom line - health care and insurance costs have been outpacing inflation since 1980. Those increases came during Republican and Democratic control of government - they occurred BEFORE ObamaCare and AFTER it was passed.
    It's not a partisan problem.

    I would be fully retired today and passing on my job to the next person if it wasn't for fear of rising healthcare costs.

    So I don't CARE WHOSE fault it is or WHO you want to blame for it. I just don't want the President sitting on his ass saying he'll deal with it when ObamaCare implodes in 3 or 4 years. That's not what good leaders do. They stand up - put on their big boy pants and take the bull by the horns. This, "I'll wait till it collapses," attitude is BS.
     
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    Might have been something easier managed before the ACA was passed. It's not like the left wasn't warned, oh that's right, the MSN was the lefts go to and sadly they lied, manipulated and ignored warnings! Then again the CBO was fairly honest but real numbers didn't cut it did they? The left continued to take the word of the MSN!

    None of this is even remotely news to those on the right! From the President all the way down to the Conservative mopping a floor knows and has known the reality of the ACA! Like I say, the left and they're caucus had the PERFECT opportunity to pile drive this bill thru but in staying true to form celebrated as their ship sailed away along with any hope of stopping the what will be, kind of sad really! Not for the idiots democrat leaders but for the people they continue to brainwash!
     
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    Medicare already exists and opening enrollment to all is not a big problem as long as the appropriate Medicare taxes are adjusted accordingly.

    No need to rewrite the Constitution. It is perfectly legal for Medicare to stipulate that only non-shareholder owned medical providers will be allowed to participate in Medicare.
     
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    Denial of the facts on your part does not alter the reality of what happened!

    It was Republicans/Libertarians that deregulated the Wall Street Casino allowing them to set up "banks" to make predatory mortgages that were then bundled with good mortgages and sold off to investors. It was a massive Ponzi scam and the Bush/Cheney regime looked the other way and reined in the SEC and other agencies so that it could happen.
     
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    No, Single Payer works with privately owned medical providers as long as they are not SHAREHOLDER owned.

    The distinction is important because it eliminates the Wall Street Casino GREED factor from the cost of providing healthcare.
     
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    The MRI was invented in 1977!
     
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    Danneskjold Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Shareholders,private,group. Who cares, Business are controlled by executives. Executives are trying to save a buck all around.
     
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    The **** is owned by shareholders. You can't take the property away. It's a legal business.
     
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    There is a MASSIVE DIFFERENCE!

    Executives who are beholden to shareholders and the greedy Wall Street Casino Bosses are always focused on INCREASING PROFITS because that is what is DEMANDED of them.

    Privately owned corporations don't get "punished" by the Wall Street Casino Bosses if their profits do not meet their greed based expectations.

    Executives of private corporations make better LONG TERM DECISIONS as to what is best for their customers and themselves.

    Executives of private corporations have more stable staffing because they are not constantly laying off employees in order to meet unrealistic shareholder profit margins.
     
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    No one is "taking **** away" from anyone!

    Corporations buy back shares all the time. Shareholders can be paid out the value of the shares at any point in time that the corporation chooses to do so. So no, the shareholders don't own the corporation at all. They merely own the shares and the corporation can decide to no longer have shareholders if it so chooses.
     
  23. Danneskjold

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    Corporation by back outstanding shares, or people sell them. I don't know where you get this from. They can't just decided one day they don't want shareholders. Shareholders own portions of the company and there are entitled to thier share.
     
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    You are really not making sense. First I've never heard of a hospital that was owned by shareholders. They are controlled by boards of executives. So I don't know what you are ranting about.
     
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  25. Sam Bellamy

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    Yea, dumb. The Republicans need to let the worst law in US history die a slow death. Let the Democrats continue to reap what they sowed.
     

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