Ahmaud Arbery case: Black armed militias gathered outside the courthouse, issue warning

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  1. ToughTalk

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    While true. You have to take into account that there are less black people then white people. Which you have noted. Thinking about this from a violent white person's perspective, it would be more likely you would find another white person to kill then a black person. But from a violent black person's perspective, it would be more likely to find a white person to kill than another black person.

    What you want to look at is racially motivated violence. Where someone hunts out a specific race to attack.
     
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  2. Vote4Future

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    Any assessment that you made of me is so far off the mark that you should consider reading comprehension or maybe stop jumping to the wrong conclusions. Everything you said about "me" was false. Never said any of that. As far as other comments here, I don't care what a lot of posters are saying. Rittenhouse was Not Guilty. These defendants different story.

    The title of this thread, statements made by the black armed militia, was the threat to the jury members. I thought that was pretty much understood by all, but I suppose that takes common sense.
     
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    I'm sure they are "mostly peaceful protesters". From what I understand, the judge is trying to stop this exposure to the jury, even though he seemed fine with activists intimidating the jury right during court.
     
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    You are missing one major thing - in absolute majority of crimes, the victim knows the offender. Black criminals aren’t running around on streets looking for random victims as you implied. In many ways, blacks people are their own worst enemies.
     
  5. ToughTalk

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    Sure, but then those instances will be recorded in racially motivate violence stats. Which is what is more pertinent to your point.
     
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    Wrong again.
    Majority of interracial crimes are not motivated by race.
    My initial comment to you was more mathematical in nature than anything else - you were saying that blacks (13% of population) have a larger pool of victims of another race than whites. My point was that it’s not that simple - everyone mostly interacts within their own circle of family/friends, therefore the pool or victims is far from random.
    Take a probability course in your local community college.
     
  7. ToughTalk

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    No what I'm saying to you, you frustrating dip ****. Is that the FBI keeps track of hate based crimes.
    https://www.justice.gov/hatecrimes/hate-crime-statistics

    The post I was talking about posted these stats
    https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls

    And yes, blacks are still over represented in hate based crimes. I'm saying POST THE RIGHT ****ING STATS. Not all of these attacks in the post I was responding too were racially motivated. I was suggesting that if the narrative is that blacks attack whites (for being white) then there is actually stats that he didn't post that back that claim. The stats he posted are just tracking violent attacks between races without motivation detailed.

    In a land where white people are the majority minority, I would think that they will make up the majority minority of victims killed or attacked in the united states. That a white violent person who is going to rob a store or shop or rich home, is likely to encounter a white person based off of simple percentage points. That a violent criminal is more likely to encounter a white person/victim then black. That they are more likely to not commit their crimes near their social circle because that's just how things play out.

    If you want to talk about racially motivated extreme violent attacks, well...we can talk about that, but then you have to post the right statistics. Which again, also highlight that blacks are over represented.

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    So relax. The narrative is still sound. The wrong statistics were used.
     
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    That's actually a brilliant question.

    Why are these men showing up now? Where are they when they are actually needed?
     
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    Police would have done it.

    Do you claim this would have been equally bad if police had done it?

    (The father was a retired police officer, by the way)
     
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    He RAN at the guy with a gun, about to head-ram him, it looked like. Suddenly around the corner of the car without that guy expecting it. What was he supposed to do in that situation?
     
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    All I want is for racist Black people who Hate White people to stop disproportionately murdering people of my race at a rate of around 8 times higher than White people towards Blacks.
    Right from Wikipedia
    The per-capita offending rate for African-Americans was roughly eight times higher than that of whites, and their victim rate was similar.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States

    Makes me angry that White people are being oppressed and falsely labeled Born White Supremists by Blacks, BLM and the Woke Leftist Liberal Media when the Truth and the Facts show Black people are doing the majority of Homicides

    Don't even get me started of what Asians think of what race targets and attacks them with the most regularity.
     
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  12. Vote4Future

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    Gun vs head-ram? Unarmed guy doing nothing wrong cornered by guys with guns. What is he supposed to do? What am I missing? I am a common sense person. If you are saying Not Guilty, my common sense says Guilty. If I am misinterpreting your statements, my apology.
     
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    They had some slight reason to suspect he might be casing the neighborhood or was in that neighborhood to carry out burglaries.

    So that's not entirely accurate.

    It is true that they did not have anywhere near enough evidence of any crime to arrest him.
     
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    Call the authorities. These men are Guilty of murder. He was unarmed against 3 men with weapons.
     
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    And he ran at one of them.

    Even though the threat didn't really rise to a level high enough.

    HE is to blame.

    WHY did he run? Why did he run at one of them? Was it really because he feared for his life? Or was he just angry that "how dare these white men are trying to make me stop" and afraid of interacting with police if they had showed up?

    He should have known exactly what would happen when he ran at one of them. He should have known that he would die when he made that decision (whether he had the legal right to do it or not).

    I'm not saying those men might not be to blame at all, but his stupid decision did very much factor into this.
     
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    Not here! I fully support and encourage their right to the 2cd as long as they follow the gun laws I and other legal gun owners follow..
     
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    They are Guilty well beyond a reasonable doubt. We are not talking a riot walking down their streets. We are talking one unarmed man wearing black skin. Regardless of his intentions, they had the opportunity to call the police and didn't do that. Not the same as Rittenhouse.
     
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    And he was not shot until he bolted threateningly at one of them.

    Something not any one of them had done to him, I might add.
     
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    Argument going around in circles.

    They had to be able to follow him for calling the police to be able to do anything.


    Are you claiming they had been following him for more than 4 minutes and police were still not called?
     
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    They held him against his will at gunpoint. They instigated all of it. I am a gun owner and understand the difference of using your weapon to protect yourself vs. using it to kill someone. They set out to do harm to this man.
     
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    No they didn't.

    They cut him off in the street as he had been running away for several minutes.

    (Although I will concede that if a threat was actually made, then that would make this a borderline situation, and then I would say you would be half right)
     
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    Exactly. They cornered him. They had guns. He had no weapons. He was going to die one way or another. He knew that. These people were not defending themselves or their property. They were menacing. They were evil. Just the school yard bully. Guilty!
     
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    Still not exactly "cornering". This case hinges very much on details that cannot be easily simplified into simple words.

    Having weapons doesn't give them any advantage if they can't use it if the unarmed person is charging at them.
    So your logic here does appear to be a little bit circular.
     
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    They were trying to prevent thefts in the neighborhood.
     
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