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  1. livefree

    livefree Banned

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    Your sources are bogus nutjob sites.

    There has been an enormous amount of infrastructure boardering the Mediterranean for thousands of years....docks, ports, buildings, stone fish tank and fish traps, etc., and studies of these archeological sites do not show any great rise in the sea levels that would flood cities, as your cultic myths claim. The examples you tried to cite were mostly very clearly noted in your own source material as having been sunk by volcanic activity or earthquakes.

    Multiple scientific studies show that sea level rise has followed this pattern:

    * Stable sea level from 200 BC until 1000 AD

    * A 400-year rise by about 6 cm per century up to 1400 AD

    * Another stable period from 1400 AD up to the late 19th Century

    * A rapid rise by about 20 cm since.

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  2. sawyer

    sawyer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    During the Little Ice Age, 1300 to 1850 – when temperatures were the coldest during any time in the past 10,000 years – snow and ice accumulated in Greenland, Antarctica, Europe and glaciers worldwide. As a consequence, sea levels fell so much that important Roman Era and Medieval port cities (like Ephesus, Ostia Antica and Pisa) were left miles from the Mediterranean.

    "Since the Little Ice Age ended about 160 years ago, tide gages show that sea level has risen at a steady rate – with no correlation to the rise in atmospheric carbon dioxide levels.

    Sea level is a dynamic property in our planet’s climate cycles, which are closely linked to changes in solar energy output and other natural factors. It is unlikely to change in response to tax policies that make energy more expensive and economies less robust – no matter what politicians in Washington, Brussels or the United Nations might say.

    Much to their chagrin, Mother Nature doesn’t listen to them. She has a mind of her own."
    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/12/02/history-falsifies-climate-alarmist-sea-level-claims/
     
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    Well, you can believe fraudulent pseudo-science quackery you find on dimwitted blogs sponsored by the fossil fuel industry if you want....

    I'll stick to the real science produced by actual scientists. Like the ones at NOAA.

    Sea Level is Rising at an Increasing Rate
    NOAA
    There is strong evidence that global sea level is now rising at an increased rate and will continue to rise during this century.

    While studies show that sea levels changed little from AD 0 until 1900, sea levels began to climb in the 20th century.

    The two major causes of global sea-level rise are thermal expansion caused by the warming of the oceans (since water expands as it warms) and the loss of land-based ice (such as glaciers) due to increased melting.

    Records and research show that sea level has been steadily rising at a rate of 0.04 to 0.1 inches per year since 1900.

    This rate may be increasing. Since 1992, new methods of satellite altimetry (the measurement of elevation or altitude) indicate a rate of rise of 0.12 inches per year.

    This is a significantly larger rate than the sea-level rise averaged over the last several thousand years.
     
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    Here is a good debunking of that fraudulent drivel you scraped off of Watt's demented blog.

    A new disinformer at WUWT writing wrongs about rising seas: Robert W. Endlich
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    DECEMBER 3, 2013
    Anthony Watts has a bee in his bonnet about sea levels. He keeps denying that seas rise as the planet warms and ice melts. His latest is a copy and paste from other denier blogsof an article by a science denier called Robert W. Endlich. (Archived here.) This chap is described on WUWT as follows:
    "Robert W. Endlich served as a weather officer in the US Air Force for 21 years and a US Army meteorologist for 17 years. He was elected to Chi Epsilon Pi, the national Meteorology Honor Society, while a basic meteorology student at Texas A&M University. He has degrees in geology and meteorology from Rutgers University and the Pennsylvania State University, respectively, and has studied and visited the ancient sites of Rome, Ostia Antica and Pisa."

    Writing Wrongs!

    Given his reported background I'd say Robert W. Endlich is not a denier, he's a disinformer. He must know that what he writes has a lot of wrongs!

    For example, in this article he claims that in regard to storms like Sandy and Haiyan and, presumably Katrina, "the lost lives and property have little to do with the storms’ sheer power". No? He blames it on those silly people who chose to remain on planet Earth instead of getting out of the way.

    As with many deniers and disinformers, his motives are not hidden. Robert writes:
    "The alarmist cries are not meant to be honest or factual. They are intended to generate hysterical headlines, public anxiety about climate change, and demands for changes in energy policies and use."

    What Robert Robert W. Endlich is trying to claim is that sea levels dropped in the Little Ice Age and haven't risen back to the levels they were before that. Not true. Robert gives some examples of towns that are further inland than they used to be. He waves away other reasons for their apparent shift inland writing, for example: "Some historians erroneously claim “river silting” caused the change, but the real “culprit” was sea level change." His examples are:

    * The ancient city of Ephesus - Wikipedia refers to the silting up of the natural harbours

    * Ruins of the old Roman port Ostia Antica - Wikipedia states that "At the mouth of the River Tiber, Ostia was Rome's seaport, but due to silting the site now lies 3 kilometres (2 miles) from the sea."

    * Pevensey Castle in England's south - Wikipedia talks about the longshore drift that cut the bay off from the sea.

    So firstly Robert W. Endlich's examples aren't related to general sea level rises and falls. And I wonder why he ignores all the towns that haven't shifted inland and those that have fallen into the sea for one reason or another (usually subsidence or earthquakes).

    Secondly, quite a few of the readers of WUWT aren't buying his spiel. Here are some comments:

    Keith Willshaw writes about Pevensey and says:
    "December 2, 2013 at 4:44 am
    Interesting article to which I have one minor caveat.The case of Pevensey Castle is a little more complex than just declining sea levels. The entire South East coast of England was radically changed by the Great Storm of Feb 1287. This was no mere blow like so called Superstorm Sandy but a mass killer. Some ancient towns like Old Winchelsea were wiped off the map, The spot where it used to stand is now over a mile offshore.In other cases such as Pevensey and New Romney great banks of gravel were dropped leaving them a mile away from the new sea front. The River Rother changed course and now emerges over 15 miles from its old outlet. Worse was to come in December 1287 when another huge storm roared down the North Sea , breaking the dikes in Holland and killing more than 50,000 people.The inhabitants of Pevensey (and New Romney) saw the disaster as an opportunity and filled in any breaches in the new gravel banks thereby reclaimimg the land for agriculture. To this day much of the land between New Romney is below sea level and protected by dykes and has warning sirens that are sounded if the sea wall is breached.
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    Keith Itty writes about land changes around the Mediterranean and says:
    "December 2, 2013 at 6:22 am
    Several errors here. “Wisconsin” as a name for the last Ice Age is only valid in North America, it has other names in other places. And Wisconsin is a name for the whole 100 000 year cycle not just the “deepest part”. That is normally known as the Last Glacial Maximum, LGM for short.Also using sites around the Mediterranean as examples to show sea-level change is very risky. It is more often land-level change. Most of the Mediterranean Basin is tectonically active, and it is just as easy to find sites that “prove” that the sea level was lower during the Roman Period, Cumae near Neapel for example, or Serapis where there are marine mollusks on the temple pillars several meters above sea-level, showing that the relative sealevel has gone up and down since the roman period.That said there is no doubt that the sealevel was slightly higher during the climatic optimum, particularly in the Pacific Basin.
    "

    Itty is a regular denier so he can get away with his criticism. However Warren seems to be a newcomer so he gets lots of abuse for writing:
    "December 2, 2013 at 5:09 am
    I don’t understand why this article should carry any scientific weight whatsoever. It’s argument is that “sea levels have been rising and falling throughout history, so the proposition that mans activities is warming the planet and causing sea level rise is ridiculous”. Same goes for the oft seen argument that “earths temperature has risen and fallen throughout history, so AGW is false, QED.” I hope none of the forums readers buy this ‘argument’ that the existence of natural patterns means there cannot be an increment caused by man.
    "

    Francois isn't impressed by the article and says:
    "December 2, 2013 at 7:01 am
    The whole piece is not very scientific : feet, miles (statute or nautical?), why not degrees F, fluid ounces (or not fluid?), pounds, grains, stones, and the like? Are we still in the eighteenth century?
    "

    Ideology can warp the brain

    Just as he started by displaying his ideologically-based denial, Robert W. Endlich finishes up by referring to Mother Nature, taxation and politics:
    "Since the Little Ice Age ended about 160 years ago, tide gages show that sea level has risen at a steady rate - with no correlation to the rise in atmospheric carbon dioxide levels.Sea level is a dynamic property in our planet’s climate cycles, which are closely linked to changes in solar energy output and other natural factors. It is unlikely to change in response to tax policies that make energy more expensive and economies less robust - no matter what politicians in Washington, Brussels or the United Nations might say.Much to their chagrin, Mother Nature doesn’t listen to them. She has a mind of her own."

    What's happening to the sea

    Sea levels are rising - not from changes in solar energy but from natural factors like melting ice and water expansion as it heats up because of the unnatural emissions of carbon dioxide continue unabated. Here's a chart of the sea level rise of the past twenty years:

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    Source: University of Colorado
     
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    I see you ignored my advice on keeping your post short and to the point with a link.:smile:
     
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    Translated from denier cult lingo, that = "scientific evidence is like kryptonite to me....keep it away!"
     

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