Aircraft carrier captain removed from duty after pleading for help with coronavirus outbreak

There was mention of wanting a top down approach out of DoD, not leaving it to each branch.

I suppose navy would be a lot more accountable due to the compartmentalized command by ship. There is more comingling on army bases, which tends to spread problems across command lines. Hadn't thought about that...

 

Were my questions too hard? Was it easier to just sing out 'strawman' and run away?

 

They seem to think that Trump, and every President, knows every thing that is going on in the agencies and departments of the Executive Branch.

 

What evidence do you have, that Trump "fired' this this guy?

 

I well understand span of control for a valve in a pipe. I do not claim to understand span of control for a SecDef or a President with anything close to the level of certainty I do for a valve. And I've worked in several large organizations, including the US Army and two Fortune 100 companies with several Fortune 100 clients. It is all beside the point here though - you are committing a logical fallacy although I'm not quite sure which one, but I suspect appeal to authority is quite likely.

Of the 3100 O6s in the Navy, assuming you have that number about right, how many are in command of a Nimitz Class Carrier? Narrows down the personnel decisions that are candidates to rise to top level leadership right properly quick you may be inclined to admit? A Nimitz Class Carrier facing an on-board pandemic, by the way.

However, it seems clear to me now that this one did not rise to even the SecDef's attention, given that he hadn't even read Crozier's letter as of late Tuesday prior to Crozier being relieved of command on Thursday.

Do please share your large organization management experience of how you vetted items, events, problems and opportunities that crossed your sphere of influence. And explain to us their relevance to whether or not the SecDef and CnC acted appropriately with respect to their participation in not just sacking Crozier, but in evaluating the solution to the problem Crozier sought assistance for in his letter. Because from my point of view, being a no show in this decision is even worse than the OP assertion.

 

How many of them put national security at risk lately? For the record there about 3,100 06 Captains in the Navy.

 

Don't try that crap. You asserted that the Hill article was fake news. I agree that there is nothing in the article to back an assertion that Trump was even aware of the problem. Explain to me then though how you assert the article of itself falls into the category of fake news.

I disagree this is a political opinion piece moreso than current events.

The fact that the SecDef and the CnC were not involved in being more knowledgeable and involved with the disposition of an infected Nimitz Class Carrier is even worse than if Trump had played a proactive role in sacking Crozier, in my opinion.

Cute your little jab there at the end mate, however, I've been living on facts, earning a living on facts for a very long time now, but thanks for your honorable consideration.

 

Get a grip. It's fake news if you can't prove the article's link to Trump which is the premise of the OP's post.

 

So then where is the evidence that Trump knew about this and "fired" this guy?

 

Maybe you might expand your vocabulary to include, I don't know, how about the word irrelevant news rather than fake news.

 

I conceded several posts ago that it is most likely that Trump knew nothing about it until well after the fact - and that that is at least as damning of his responsibility to his office.

 

I call people's BS as I see it.

 

You got to the other end of the same pointy sharp stick more quickly than I was going to argue myself. 'Onya.

 

Sorry, but of course you do, inaccurately, and imprecise with apparently no appreciation for a very fundamental point I attempted to educate you about. That article of itself was completely accurate, nothing fake about it.

Yet, you have chosen to contextualize the content of the article with respect to this thread.

Seems a bit less than speaking truth or calling bs on it...

 

Easy to 'call' bullshit than to then have to go and explain why, yes? I know, it's so unfair.

 

Still waiting for that proof between Trump and the article. You know, FACTS.

I'll wait.

 

There is no proof. That is as obvious that the CIC is not kept in the dark before a Captain of a US nuclear-powered aircraft carrier is sacked. Or is he? And then, should he not be told that one of his most senior "Generals" has been allegedly naughty before some Secretary moves in and fires him?

 

Do please try and catch-up rather than wait. Is it appropriate that Trump wasn't in the loop and engaging his very stable genius to assist the mere mortals serving at his pleasure to ascertain a solution to the CVN-71's Captain's plea for assistance?

 

Thirty three years of Federal Department level experience with Sr. Management Experience at multiple agencies. Never saw a President fire a GS-15 (civilian equivalent of a O-6) or a military O-6.

Your questions about relevance are more or less irrelevant to the topic of this discussion, i.e., the false claim that Trump fired the carrier Captain. Possibly the only relevance is to the follow-on claim (that you seem to be defending) that the Secretary of the Navy can't fart without checking with Trump. I have been around some high level people in the Government who seemed free to fart without Presidential permission whenever they wanted to contrary to what some Trump haters seem to think.

 

Possibly thanks to Captain Crozier's letter, Admiral Aquilino's plan, https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/31/navy-aid-sailors-positive-coronavirus-157678 has apparently been scuttled since 1000 personnel were removed on Thursday with plans to remove another 2700 by yesterday - effectively leaving a skeleton crew onboard: as basic Hollywood plots based on medical practices have explained for decades to be the correct approach.

https://www.stripes.com/news/us/cap...-uss-roosevelt-commander-with-cheers-1.624732

 

Can you say Spanish inquisition? He didn't know, there forth he is guilty?

 

And that is why I wonder about what kind of work experience these people have. They seem to think Trump has two Million direct reports.

 

Span of Control doesn't seem to be in the lexicon today

 

So then WTF are you going on about? He probably followed the advice from SECNav, SECDef, or CNO about removing this guy or said do what you feel needs to be done. Point being what does it matter if Trump knew about it or not? This Cap. put national security at risk by doing what he did, and was removed from command. And rightful so.

 

None!