Alec Baldwin kills one,inures another with Prop Gun on set.

That’s a fair point. A better analogy would be the daycare cook deciding to have s’mores for the kiddos and building a bonfire in the middle of the carpeted playroom floor and Hakeem-557 taking the fall.

Nobody has claimed money keeps everyone out of prison. But Billy in my first analogy isn’t allowed the same considerations initially that are in play with actors. Billy can’t pass the buck like Baldwin is likely going to be able to do. The problem with Baldwin passing the buck to the armorer is he knew she was incompetent and kept her on the set.

We hope it isn’t playing a role. So we agree assets DO matter. If they didn’t Madoff would have used a public defender as would have Baldwin in his preceding criminal cases.

 

It really looks as if she deserves whatever comes to her.

 

I specifically said they do not matter before charges are filed.

 

Lets clear something up - a PROP or PROPS can be books on a bookshelf behind a TV commentator, to make him or her appear smart - doesn't mean the books are necessarily fake.

A fake gun can NOT fire a real bullet and that is all there is to that story - they were using a REAL gun as a prop to make Alec appear to be a real Man of the West.

Alec spit on half of America for 4-years and belittled and insulted Law Abiding Gun Owners - I have no doubt he is having some serious introspection going on now.

He deserves everything he is getting.

 

Is this supposed to be breaking news that no one knew about?

 

For some folks here - yes.

 

But they do. Billy in my analogy would not have the options Baldwin has.

 

Yes, it was a real gun. They had two guns which were not functional, and one real one, and they handed him the real one, - with a live round in it and told him it was a "cold gun".

By saying this, you admitted your stance it 100% motivated by your dislike of the person, not by the event itself.

I am a law abiding gun owner, but I am not triggered by something he might have said (I never heard him say anything). Even if I had heard it, an actors comments are meaningless to me, so I have no reason to take it personally. Sure seems like he got under your skin though.

 

Baldwin does not have any options when it comes to being charged or not. If he is charged, then his money will help find good lawyers. There was no criminal intent, so I doubt charged will be files, but he can still be sued, although the family of the deceased is not accusing him at this time.

You don't like the guy, - I get that, but lot of the things you say are simply not true.

 

I said no such thing - stop with the hysterics and stick to the subject.

 

Yes, you did. You are hurt because Alec belittled and insulted you. But then again, he didn't say anything about you, he just made comedy out of your leader and you took it personally.

 

What have I said that isn’t true? I have no like or dislike of Baldwin. I have no reason to like or dislike Baldwin. I believe anyone who handles firearms should bear the same responsibilities regardless of why they are handling them. Ignorance of firearm safety or being told a firearm is safe doesn’t “protect” any other firearm user from personal responsibility for what happens when they pull the trigger. The fact this is even being discussed is proof not everyone is equal under the law. If ANYONE tells me a firearm is unloaded and I point it at someone and pull the trigger there would be no debate. I would be charged. It wouldn’t matter if I employed the person who told me the weapon was safe or if it was related to my profession. I would be held accountable. It wouldn’t even matter if I had criminal intent or not.

 

I have given you multiple scenarios where you would not be charged (firearms class, military, etc), and I have given them multiple times, to I won't waste my time again. Feel free to believe anything you want.

 

Why is this a topic for political fodder?

 

Military has no relevance to civil or criminal law. None. And Baldwin was not in a class (wouldn’t matter anyway unless the instructor told him to not check the weapon and told him to point it at someone and pull the trigger—which is ridiculous because this would not happen). He was using a firearm in his professional capacity just as I do. I would never have the option of passing my responsibility to another whether they are in my employ or not and no matter what they tell me about the firearm. I’m still responsible for my actions with that firearm—criminally and civilly. Has nothing to do with what I believe. It’s just a fact.

 

Yeah, I didn't catch that fly ball.

Yes, it's true that we are held accountable for the laws within whatever jurisdiction we live. No question on that. And, some people are treated differently within the legal process for those unlawful behaviors usually based on their race, gender and influence within their community.

With that said, from what I've been able to glean from the scant details I've read (and, I'll confess that I'm not all that interested in this incident) unless somebody can connect the dots between Baldwin and the person that died and/or the one that was injured that provides some type of motive, there doesn't appear to be anything above reckless endangerment.

Beyond that, this might be a good jumping off point for more legislation about the procedures of having and using weapons on a studio lot. There is nothing that makes sense about people going out to shoot for fun during breaks if any of those people are not thoroughly trained in handling weapons (and why would they be? Their jobs are to memorize some script and pretend to be somebody else for a giant load of money).

So, fingering Baldwin is the lazy way to address this issue. I don't celebrity worship so it's not about that. It's about the bigger issue of accidents happening on studio lots that could have easily been prevented and it sounds like all of this could have easily been prevented.

 

In a backhanded offering of 'agreement' with some of the anti-gun, anti-Second Amendment faction in this Forum, I've said that -- "Yes! We should not allow criminals and crazies to have firearms!"

In the light of this killing of Halyna Hutchins, it's very possible that Alec Baldwin may already be one of these things, and, if there's any justice left in this country, he may be about to become the other one, too....

 

Good question. There isn't even enough information released about the case to speculate on charges.

 

There is no such thing as an accidental discharge.

It's called Negligence for a reason.

 

There is no CRIME called accidental discharge, because......its not considered a crime. I know two people who has accidental discharges and fortunately no one was hurt (only a door and a TV).

 

Those weren't accidental, those were negligent.

There is no such thing, as an accidental discharge. It simply doesn't exist.

 

No, they were accidents.

There is no accidental discharge in lawbooks because it is not considered a crime. Accidental is different from negligent and reckless, even though you insist that all accidents are result of negligence. You are incorrect.

Understand the Law

In Florida (as with most states), it must be proven that a person who claims to have accidentally discharged a weapon must not have done so as a result of negligence or reckless disregard for human life and property. That means even if someone is fatally injured, you may not be charged with a crime if it can be proven that you didn’t intentionally put lives at risk.

Still, it’s important to realize that reckless discharge of a firearm is a felony that could stay on your record for the rest of your natural life. That could result in difficulty finding or retaining employment, career advancement and continuing education, housing, and more. That’s why, if and when you face firearms charges, it’s essential to team with a reliable Daytona Beach criminal attorney who can help you navigate this trying time.

 

Your definitions are a bit off.

There is no such thing as an accidental discharge. It's always Negligent.

 

Accidental is different from negligent and reckless, even though you insist that all accidents are result of negligence. You are incorrect.

That is simply not true, but feel free to believe anything you want.

 

He broke all 4 rules of firearm safety. He BROKE all 4 rules.

That's negligence.

Most gun enthusiasts learn at a very young age what those 4 rules are, and also taught that there is no such thing as an accidental discharge.