Am I a 'Racist' or a 'Realist'?

Discussion in 'Race Relations' started by Libhater, May 20, 2016.

  1. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    nothing, as long as its not created by use of extermination camps, euthenasia, and forced deportations.
     
  2. robini123

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    Thanks for the source citation. The sources seem legitimate so I will not contest the findings but I do need some clarification as to what you see the sources as proving? Do you see the cited sources as proof that whites are superior to blacks?
     
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    I agree with you on the first 2.

    However, forced deportations aren't the worst thing.

    So, long as it's in your own land.
     
  4. Egalitarianjay02

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    So provide the studies. You're not making a credible argument by relying on stereotypes. I'm well-aware of the stereotypes however I've yet to see empirical evidence that Blacks have deeper voices, more muscle mass or larger genitalia and that all of these characteristics are meditated by naturally higher levels of testosterone. I already provided you sources showing that the testosterone claim was bogus. When controlling for age and BMI there are no differences in testosterone between Black and White males. Hormone levels including testosterone tend to vary within the same individual throughout the day depending on external factors such as diet and stress. The idea that testosterone is connected to race and crime is also absurd when you consider that Whites and Asians the groups supposedly less prone to criminality have committed crimes against humanity that include atrocities which involve many more people than the minority of Blacks committing crimes in various countries. All this was addressed in the sources I provided.

    Now back to your claims about Blacks having deeper voices, more muscle mass and larger genitalia. I recall Rushton making similar claims. He didn't provide any evidence for the voices claim it was merely an anecdote that he admitted may just be a stereotype and left it at that. For genitalia he cited pornography as evidence including the findings of an anonymous "French Army Surgeon" in a 19th Century article aimed at titillating viewers about the sexual exploits of foreign people.

    A Biological Anthropologist addresses this source in his review of Rushton's book:

    Needless to say I am not impressed. So if you have sources backing up your claims provide them. It seems as though you are not willing to provide sources on the deeper voices claim and believe like Rushton that self-assessment is evidence enough that this claim is true. In my experience Black people's voices vary as much as White people. Black men have a range from as high as Michael Jackson to as deep as Barry White. I've heard racists express so much confidence that races differ in their voices that they say you can tell a Black person apart from a White person by their voice alone with 90% accuracy. I have offered to provide a racist with voice samples and let them guess voices to see if they can do so with at least 90% accuracy (e.g. get 18 out of 20 correct) but no one has accepted the challenge.

    If you believe this claim and would like to take this test let me know. Otherwise you'll have to come up with a more creative way to prove that Blacks on average have deeper voices.
     
  5. Taxonomy26

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    I've seen you and your Incessant Dog-and-Pony show (Brace and Graves Link/quote Dumps) all over the net. Two race deniers 'defeating' (Read 'disagreeing') with your only strawman - Rushton - without whom you have No game.

    And I believe I CAN tell Black voices apart with 90% accuracy. Confirmed every day/week/month.
    Of course, it's beyond disingenuous to let You (LOL) pick the samples which will certainly be atypical.

    Abstract
    Normative standards for vocal tract dimensions by Race as measured by acoustic pharyngometry.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16243483
    Xue SA1, Hao JG.
    Author information
    Abstract
    SUMMARY:
    Acoustic Pharyngometry evaluates the geometry of the vocal tract with acoustic reflections and provides information about vocal tract cross-sectional area and volume from lip to the glottis. Variations in vocal tract diameters are needed for speech scientists to validate various acoustic models and for medical professionals since the advent of endoscopic surgical techniques.

    Race is known to be one of the most Important Factors affecting the Oral and Nasal structures. This study compared vocal tract dimensions of White American, African American, and Chinese male and female speakers. One hundred and twenty healthy adult subjects with equal numbers of men and women were divided among three races. Subjects were controlled for age, gender, height, and weight. Six dimensional parameters of the speakers' vocal tract cavities were measured with acoustic reflection technology (AR). Significant gender and Race main effects were found in certain vocal tract Dimensions. The findings of this study now provide speech scientists, speech-language pathologists, and other health professionals with a new anatomical database of vocal tract variations for adult speakers from three Different Races.


    Of course they'd be different in light of skull/nose/larynx differences, if not thicker chords caused by more testosterone and other Race differences

    And that took me all of 30 seconds to Google, to prove what I/we know is the truth after my 60 years. There's much more of course.
    You tried the Burden Shift, hoping your opponent wouldn't look, but he will eventually. He's done some nice work.

    What's important about Race and EgalJay's Dog-and-Pony show is: don't believe your 'lying eyes', or ears, or other professionals, or your Common Sense, just believe Brace and Graves, who are nowhere near the top authorities on race in their respective fields, but whom you will see cited/Blanketed in a posting shout-down attempt, HUNDREDS of times by EJ as if they're the last word.
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    PCs of residuals. (A) PC2 vs. PC1 and (B) PC3 vs. PC2. The purple triangles are recent African Americans, the green inverted triangles are recent European Americans, and the black “X” is the Mezmaiskaya 1 (Mez) Neandertal. The purple and green convex hulls indicate the extent of the African Americans and European Americans, respectively (Table S5 includes the eigenvectors).

    European Americans and African Americans differ in the shapes of their long bones, with European Americans having thicker shafts and larger articulations relative to shaft length. Neandertals also have thick shafts and large articulations relative to shaft length and Neandertal admixture or the lack of it played a major role in the physical differences between European Americans and African Americans.
     
  7. Egalitarianjay02

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    Do tell. Is that why you bumped one of my old threads on a science board and got humiliated?

    http://www.scienceforums.net/topic/...ate-races-that-differ-in-mental-traits/page-3

    Care to try your luck on another one?

    http://www.sciforums.com/forums/human-science.69/



    I just used Rushton as an example of a racist scholar who made similar arguments. That's hardly a strawman.

    Then accept the challenge. Oh you think I'm going to cheat and use "atypical" voice samples? If races really differ in their voices how exactly would I do that?

    The study doesn't validate your argument. First it assumes that race is a major factor in differences between voices (based on what sources?) and then takes samples from demographic groups in America treating them as separate races. I would have to read the full study but based on the abstract I'm not impressed by the conclusions.

    What other race differences? Be specific. Where is the evidence that different races have differences in the thickness of their vocal cords? If such a difference existed it would be easy to take anthropometric measurements and verify this. What skull differences? What nose differences? How do these differences affect the voice? Provide evidence for your claims.

    Also I challenge you to go on a proper Science message board like Sciforum and make these arguments.

    Yet you won't take the voice test. And no I didn't shift the burden of proof. The burden of proof is always on the person making the claim.

    There's no ranking system for who is an authority in a scientific field but we can assess credibility and prominence based on career accomplishment. Brace and Graves are clearly prominent Anthropologists and Biologists respectively who have done a lot of good work debunking the concept of race.
     
  8. Junkieturtle

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    What is there to be "realist" about here other than the correlation between crime and economic status?

    Of course gated communities are going to have less street crime. They have money. Their children have opportunities. Their schools are funded. They probably have adequate police forces for the size of the community they have to police. Their neighborhoods aren't run down. They have more places to work than just minimum wage jobs that the wealthier segments of our society expect the people who work there to just stay there making a wage below the poverty level and keep quiet about it because bootstraps and stuff.
     
  9. Taxonomy26

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    Au Contare.
    I invite everyone to look at the above linked strings and see what happened.
    I DESTROYED the Teeny Boppers over there and a mod didn't like the attitude, so I can't post there again.
    ie, http://www.scienceforums.net/topic/...-races-that-differ-in-mental-traits/?p=919284
    Please post the lopsided exchanges here and we'll take them up.
    The fact is YOU couldn't answer me either.

    Not true. Without Rushton you have no whipping boy. (ie, suggesting Moving North/part of the 'Out of Africa theory' was HIS idea)

    This is so obtuse it's hard to believe.
    Yes, let YOU Cherry pick 10 White-sounding Black guys, and 10 Black-sounding white guys as "proof" "debunking", that there is no average/typical voice difference.
    Hey, why don't I let YOU Handpick 10 smart black guys with 130 IQs, and 10 Dumb white guys with 80 IQs to prove Blacks are smarter than whites!
    Unbelievable, and shows a beyond questionable logic level, and disingenuity that is well into comical.

    It certainly does validate there is a difference in Voices based on Physical measured differences between the Races.
    Pure denial on your part.
    You have NO answer to a 100% rebuttal/paper.
    As I said, if there's no Graves/Brace/Rushton, you have No game.


    There's nothing more "proper" about it except it's name. LOL
    We can do it all here.
    Look at the string you linked above. The poster quality here is far higher.
    Perhaps you'd like to make your suggestion to take discussion elsewhere to the mods.

    Again, This is so obtuse it's hard to believe.
    To believe others are that stupid....
    Yes, let YOU Cherry pick 10 White-sounding Black guys, and 10 Black-sounding white guys, as "proof" there is no average/typical voice difference. Duh.
    Hey, why don't I let YOU Handpick 10 smart black guys with 130 IQs, and 10 Dumb white guys with 80 IQs to 'prove' Blacks are smarter than whites!
    Unbelievable, and shows a beyond questionable logic level, and disingenuity that is well into comical.

    Well I already posted about THEE post prominent Evo/Genetic/Species expert in a string HERE showing why there Are Race/subspecies among Humans. He is the author of the standard text 'Speciation.'

    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=391430&page=28&p=1066212230#post1066212230

    As well as someone (in the next post) who not only disagrees with Brace, but actually uses [non-existent?] Race in his day to day work, and actual Legal cases.
    You're up!
     
  10. Jabrosky

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    LOL at "black-" versus "white-sounding"...I guess you need pronounced differences in your vocal chords to have distinct accents now. I guess the French also have different vocal chords from the Spanish too.
     
  11. rayznack

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    What evidence is there for extermination camps?
     
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    Racist is a Marxist term used to denigrate those who wish to preserve their heritage (Whites).
     
  13. Egalitarianjay02

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    Indeed. Taxonomy26 has not provided evidence that there are differences between the voices of races that result from biological differences. He has only presented a paper that claims to distinguish between voices using demographic groups as a proxy for races. We don't even have access to the full study. He also didn't provide evidence in his last post for all of the other biological differences he claims exists between races. There is geographically based genetic variation, no one is denying that. The question is whether we are genetically different enough to be categorized as different races or subspecies. Science says that we are not.

    As for Coyne his argument boils down to there being morphological difference between populations (which no one denies) and calling that race but he can't even tell us how many races there are because these populations can be subdivided in different ways. I have to laugh at you discrediting your own source by saying he is understating his case to be politically correct. Maybe he's just not racist enough for you? I will see you Coyne and raise you Templeton!

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3737365/

     
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    Really?

    [video=youtube;8USx-Eqmdc8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8USx-Eqmdc8[/video]
     
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    Are you trolling us with this question?
     
  16. Taxonomy26

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    False.
    The study actually recorded voices as well as measuring what are Physical differences that even someone who knows nothing about Biology, would acknowledge are affect by them.

    At least I embarrassed you into dropping your riDICulous "take my quiz" (with YOUR Cherry-picked examples) to 'prove' that someone couldn't tell white from black voices!
    Unbelievable.
    No 3 digit IQer would fall for that, nor even propose it.

    On Average, not every time, people can tell white from black voices, as we all know/DO, and only dishonest PCers would deny it.

    You can't "Raise" a Templeton, only STOOP to one.
    Again, as to Chimps, he is Wrong.
    ie,
    There are 2 Chimp Species and 4 chimp subspecies/races. Human subspecies/Races have about the Same genetic distance as Chimps do, and much greater Morphological difference than they do.

    Many subspecies have less Genetic and morphological difference than humans do, yet have agreed on delimited subspecies/Races.

    Perhaps the world's foremost Genetic/Species/Evolution expert and author of the standard text 'Speciation.'

    Credentials
    Article
    https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress...e-human-races/
    Jerry Coyne
    Are there human Races?

    And he is Understating the case lest his rep/career be damaged by his un-PC opinion.

    Evangelical Creationists believe Evo never happened...
    Liberal Creationists demand it stopped 200,000 years ago.
    Both are blinded by ulterior motives.

    oh, and see my sig. The link, for this:

    Right, 'closer than chimps are to one another'!
     
  17. Iriemon

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    Given some of the things you've stated in the past:

    "Being a proud member of STORMFRONT ..."


    "Was Abolishing Slavery America's Largest Mistake?
    No one can dispute the fact that the majority of blacks living in today's society are overwhelmed with poverty, with criminal activity, with illegal drug use, with broken families, with joblessness, with incarceration, with a dependency problem of our government, with costing tax payers boucoup bucks to support their dependencies and with their leaders insisting on playing the race baiting card every time one of their underlings gets into trouble or can't make it in the real world on their own merit(s)."

    Welcome to the real world where people like the KKK, the WHITE NATIONALISTS, those of us who are proud of and relish our own identites and to GOD ALMIGHTY who preached for racial or tribal segregation happen to agree with you. Only problem is, that ONE WORLDERs and insecure multiculturalists seek to destroy our civilization by race mixing via miscegenation. BTW, those multiculturalists are on the verge of getting apes like the one in your picture to legally marry a man or a woman as the've already managed to get gays to legally marry in about 5 states already. Those multiculturalists must be so proud of the continuous degrading of and annihilation of the human species. I suppose this is what they call evolution. LMFAO!


    In my opinion there is no doubt whatsoever you are a racist.
     
  18. rayznack

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    I'm asking for actual evidence. If proof is easy to come by then there is no difficulty providing it.
     
  19. rayznack

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    Yes, really. And I can provide a YouTube video that debunks the usual evidence as well.

    How are you coming along with defending Nisbett?
     
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    Coyne has a follow up post which will be of no surprise to reader of this weblog. But I do want to add a few things. 1) For pigmentation we do now understand its genomics relatively well. It seems that light skin emerged at least twice at the two ends of Eurasia, and, that it was a recent emergence (as evidence by markers of selective sweeps). 2) As for hair texture, there is some work which has shed light on this. East Asians in particular carry a variant of EDAR which gives them their distinctive thick straight hair. There has been less work on “woolly hair,” but I suspect that it will be elucidated soon (there are some candidate genes, from linkage studies and animal models). Additionally, I think it is important to note that the dark-skin-as-protection-against-skin-cancer does not make much evolutionary sense. Melanoma strikes later in one’s reproductive years. Rather, I accept that Nina Jablonski has the right of it when she argues that it protects against neural tube defects which arise because of various chemical changes which occur in one’s biochemistry due to exposure to sun. Finally, I think Coyne underestimates the power of even gene genomics using haplotype based techniques in narrowing down on very specific geographical and population origins for segments of your DNA right now. The key is not where you come from, it is how segments of your DNA relate to the full range of segments of other peoples’ DNA.

    http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/02/jerry-coyne-on-race-a-reflection-of-evolution/#.V0Ympvl97IU

    Coyne published several academic papers on human evolution in the 1990s and I suspect that he's too old to keep up with the recent developments in human genetics in the last few decades. Probably he's already retired as an academic and he's now a blogger.
     
  21. Libhater

    Libhater Well-Known Member

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    I don't know who you were responding to here or where you got those two paragraphs from or who wrote them, and I don't
    know if your being facetious with that final remark or not or even if it has anything to do with me. In short, I couldn't
    put your response into context with anything at all.
     
  22. Taxonomy26

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    What Dishonest BS.
    "Just published a few academic papers in the 1990s"? "too old"?

    Actually, he just found his public voice in the last decade. One of those at the forefront of Criticizing ID/Creationsm, etc
    His BOOKS:

    2004
    2009
    2015

    (Only after which he did retire)

    "A few papers in the 1990s"?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Coyne#References

    References
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    Jump up ^ Jerry A. Coyne (22 January 2009). Why Evolution is True. Oxford University Press. pp. 8–. ISBN 978-0-19-164384-2. Retrieved 24 January 2014.

    Jump up ^ Jerry A. Coyne (19 May 2015). Faith versus Fact: Why Science and Religion Are Incompatible. Viking Press. p. 311. ISBN 978-0-670-02653-1. Retrieved 13 August 2015.

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    Recent Publications
    Moehring, A. J.; Llopart, A.; Elwyn, S.; Coyne, J. A.; Mackay, T. F. C. (2006). "Genetic basis of prezygotic reproductive isolation between Drosophila santomea and D. yakuba due to mating preference". Genetics 173: 215–223. doi:10.1534/genetics.105.052993.

    Coyne, J. A.; Elwyn, S. (2006). "Does the desaturase-2 locus in Drosophila melanogaster cause adaptation and sexual isolation?". Evolution 60: 279–291. doi:10.1554/05-008.1.

    Coyne, J. A.; Elwyn, S. (2006). "Desaturase-2, environmental adaptation, and sexual isolation in Drosophila melanogaster". Evolution 60: 626–627. doi:10.1111/j.0014-3820.2006.tb01143.x.

    Watson, E.; Rodewald, E.; Coyne, J. A. (2007). "The courtship song of Drosophila santomea and a comparison to its sister species D. yakuba". Eur. J. Entomology 104: 145–148. doi:10.14411/eje.2007.020.

    Noor, M. A. F.; Coyne, J. A. (2007). "Speciation in the new millennium: What's left to know? Israel J. Ecol". Evolution 52: 431–441. doi:10.1560/ijee_52_3-4_431.

    Hoekstra, H. E.; Coyne, J. A. (2007). "The locus of evolution: evo devo and the genetics of adaptation". Evolution 61: 995–1016. doi:10.1111/j.1558-5646.2007.00105.x.

    Coyne, J. A. 2008. Short guide: sympatric speciation" Curr. Biol 17:r787-r788.

    Drosophila 12 genomes consortium. (many authors, including myself). 2008.

    Evolution of genes and genomes on the Drosophila phylogeny" Nature 450:203-218.

    Coyne, J. A.; Kay, E. H.; Pruett-Jones, S. (2008). "The genetic basis of sexual dimorphism in birds". Evolution 62: 214–219. doi:10.1111/j.1558-5646.2007.00254.x.

    Matute, D. R.; Novak, C. J.; Coyne, J. A. (2009). "Temperature-based extrinsic reproductive isolation in two species of Drosophila". Evolution 63: 595–612. doi:10.1111/j.1558-5646.2008.00588.x.

    Matute, D. R.; Butler, I. A.; Coyne, J. A. (2009). "Little or no effect of the tan locus on pigmentation levels in viable female hybrids between Drosophila santomea and D. melanogaster". Cell 139: 1181–1188. doi:10.1016/j.cell.2009.10.033.
    Matute, D. R.; Coyne, J. A. (2010). "Intrinsic reproductive isolation between two species of Drosophila". Evolution 64: 903–920. doi:10.1111/j.1558-5646.2009.00879.x.

    Matute, D. R.; Butler, I. A.; Turissini, D. A.; Coyne, J. A. (2010). "A test of the snowball theory for the rate of evolution of hybrid incompatibilities". Science 329: 1518–1521. doi:10.1126/science.1193440. (Subject of News & Views in Nature doi: 10.1038/news.2010.476)

    Coyne, J. A. (2010). "The evolutionary calculus of depression". Psychiatric Times 27: 32–33.

    Coyne, J. A. (2012). "Science, religion, and society: the problem of evolution in America". Evolution 66: 2654–2663. doi:10.1111/j.1558-5646.2012.01664.x.

    Butlin, R. K., M. Saura, G. Charrier, B. Jackson, C. André, A. Caballero, J. A. Coyne, J. Gallindo, J. W. Grahame, J. Hollander, P. Kemppainen, M. Martínez-Fernández, M. Panova, H. Quesada, K. Johannesson, and E. Rolán-Alvarez. 2013. Parallel evolution of local adaptation and reproductive isolation in the face of gene flow. Evolution, in press.
    Jump up ^ Selection of recent miscellaneous commentaries and publications

    Coyne, J. A. 2010. Science and religion aren’t friends (op-ed). USA Today, Oct. 10, p.11A. Also at http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/forum/2010-10-11-column11_ST_N.htm

    Coyne, J. A. 2010. Getting better all the time. Review of What Technology Wants by Kevin Kelly. Sunday New York Times Book Review, Nov. 7, 2010, p. 38. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/07/books/review/Coyne-t.html?_r=1&ref=books
    La militanza di Jerry Coyne per la teorie di Darwin, Interview in Il Manifesto (written questions on evolution). 11 Feb. 2011 Pp. 11-12.

    Coyne, J. A. 2011. Martin Rees and the Templeton travesty. The Guardian, April 6, 2011 http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/blog/2011/apr/06/prize-mug-martin-rees-templeton

    Coyne, J. A. 2011. "Faith no more" (mini-essay about religious disbelief). New Statesman, July 25, 2011. http://www.newstatesman.com/religion/2011/07/god-evidence-believe-world

    Coyne, J. A. 2011. You can be good without God. Invited op-ed, USA Today, August 2, 2011, p. 10A. http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/forum/2011-07-31-atheism-morality-evolution-religion_n.htm Reprinted (in German) in Tagesspiegel, Sept. 23, 2011. http://www.tagesspiegel.de/wissen/die-wurzel-des-guten/4654438.html

    Coyne, J.A.; et al. (2011). "Speciation in a small space. (Invited commentary on Papadopulos et al. 2011, Speciation with gene flow on Lord Howe Island, Proc. Nat. Acad. Sci.)". Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. USA 108: 12975–12976.
    Coyne, J. A. 2011. Can Darwinism improve Binghamton? (Review of The Neighborhood Project: Using Evolution to Improve My City, One Block at a Time). New York Times Sunday Book Review, Sept. 11, 2011, p. 24. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/11/b...n-wilson-book-review.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all

    Matute, D.; Turissini, D.; Coyne, J. A. (2011). "Response to comment on "A test of the snowball theory for the evolution of hybrid incompatibilities". Science 333: 1576. doi:10.1126/science.1203149.
    Coyne, J. A. 2012. Why you don’t really have free will. USA Today: Jan. 2, 2012. http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/forum/story/2012-01-01/free-will-science-religion/52317624/1
    Abbot, P. et al. (137 authors). Inclusive fitness theory and eusociality. Nature (Brief communication), 471:E1-E3 (Mar. 24, 2011).

    Coyne, J. A. You don’t have free will. Chronicle of Higher Education, Mar. 18, 2012. http://chronicle.com/article/Jerry-A-Coyne/131165/

    Coyne, J. A. 2012. Questions at the frontiers of evolutionary biology. BBC Focus 245:32-33. (August).

    Coyne, J.A. 2012. "El oficio de la ciencia es no ser dogmática". Interview with Jerry Coyne. Órbitas Cientificas 1(10):64-66. http://www.editoraneutrina.com/Editora_Neutrina/Orbitas_Cientificas_files/Edición 10.pdf

    Coyne, J. A. 2013. "Genes first" (Review of The Social Conquest of Earth by E. O. Wilson). Times Literary Supplement 4731 (1 Feb. 2013), p. 32.
    Coyne, J. A. 2013. Rock and roll is dead. Huffington Post (front page), August 28, 2013. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jerry-a-coyne/rock-and-roll-is-dead_b_3832003.html

    Coyne, J. A. 2013. No faith in science. Slate, Nov. 14, 2013.
    http://www.slate.com/articles/healt..._orderliness_of_nature.html?wpisrc=burger_bar
    Publications in Evolution, the International Journal of Organic Evolution
    Coyne, J.A. and H.A. Orr. 1989. Patterns of speciation in Drosophila. Evolution 43: 362-381. [1]
    Coyne, A.J. 1994. Ernst Mayr and the origin of species. Evolution, 51: 19-30. [2]
    Coyne, A.J. and H.A. Orr. 1997. "Patterns of speciation in Drosophila" Revisited. Evolution, 51: 295-303. [3]
    Coyne, A.J. and T.D. Price. 2000. Little evidence for sympatric speciation in island birds. Evolution, 54: 2166-2171. [4]
    Price, C.S.C., C.H. Kim, J. Posluszny and J.A. Coyne . 2000. Mechanisms of conspecific sperm precedence in Drosophila. Evolution, 54: 2028-2037. [5]
    Price, C.S.C., C.H. Kim, C.J. Gronlund and J.A. Coyne . 2001. Cryptic reproductive isolation in the Drosophila simulans species complex. Evolution, 55: 81-92. [6]
    Llopart, A., S. Elwyn, D. Lachaise and J.A. Coyne . 2002. Genetics of a difference in pigmentation between Drosophila yakuba and D. santomea. Evolution, 56: 2262-2277. [7]
    Hudson, R.D. and J.A. Coyne . 2002. Mathematical consequences of the genealogical species concept. Evolution, 56: 1557-1565. [8]
    Coyne J.A. , S.Y. Kim, A.S. Chang, D. Lachaise and S. Elwyn. 2002. Sexual isolation between two siblings with overlapping ranges: Drosophila santomea and D. yakuba Evolution 56: 2424-2434. [9]
    Coyne, J. A. , S. Elwyn, and E. Rolan-Alvarez. 2005. Sexual isolation between Drosophila yakuba and D. santomea: effects of environment and experimental design. Evolution 59: 2588-2601. [10]
    Llopart, A., D. Lachaise, and J. A. Coyne . 2005. Multilocus analysis of introgression between two sympatric sister species of Drosophila, D. yakuba and D. santomea. Genetics 171:197-210. [11]

    Llopart, A., D. Lachaise, and J. A. Coyne . 2005. An anomalous hybrid zone in Drosophila. Evolution 59:2602-2607. [12]
    Coyne, J. A ., and S. Elwyn. 2006. Desaturase-2, environmental adaptation, and sexual isolation in Drosophila melanogaster. Evolution 60:626-627. [13]

    Hoekstra, H. E. and J. A. Coyne. 2007. The locus of evolution: evo devo and the genetics of adaptation. Evolution 61: 995-1016.[14]
    Jump up ^ Additional Noteworthy Publications
    Coyne, A.J. and H.A. Orr. 1998. The evolutionary genetics of speciation. Phil. Trans. R. Soc. Lond. B: 287-305. [15]
    Turelli, M., N.H. Barton and J.A. Coyne . 2001. Theory and speciation. TRENDS in Ecology & Evolution, 16: 330-343. [16]
    Greenberg, A.J.; Moran, J.R.; Coyne, J.A.; Wu, C-I. (2003). "Ecological adaptation during incipient speciation revealed by precise gene replacement". Science 302: 1754–1757. doi:10.1126/science.1090432.
    Moehring, A.J.; Li, J.; Schug, M.D.; Smith, S.; Mackay, T.F.C. (2004). "Quantitative trait loci for sexual isolation between Drosophila and D. mauritiana" (PDF). Genetics 167: 1265–1274. doi:10.1534/genetics.103.024364.

    Coyne, J.A.; Elwyn, S.; Kim, S.Y.; Llopart, A. (2004). "Genetic studies of two sister species in the Drosophila melanogaster subgroup, D. yakuba and D. santomea" (PDF). Genet. Res 84: 11–26.
    Carbone, M. A.; Llopart, A.; DeAngelis, M; Coyne, J. A.; Mackay, T. F. C. (2005). "Quantitative trait loci affecting the difference in pigmentation between Drosophila yakuba and D. santomea" (PDF). Genetics 171: 211–225. doi:10.1534/genetics.105.044412.

    Moehring, A. J.; Llopart, A.; Elwyn, S.; Coyne, J. A.; Mackay, T. F. C. (2006). "The genetic basis of postzygotic reproductive isolation between Drosophila yakuba and D. santomea due to hybrid male sterility" (PDF). Genetics 173: 225–233. doi:10.1534/genetics.105.052985.

    Moehring, A. J.; Llopart, A.; Elwyn, S.; Coyne, J. A.; Mackay, T. F. C. (2006). "Genetic basis of prezygotic reproductive isolation between Drosophila santomea and D. yakuba due to mating preference" (PDF). Genetics 173: 215–223. doi:10.1534/genetics.105.052993.

    Jump up ^ "Jerry Coyne Receives 2015 Richard Dawkins Award!". Atheist Alliance of America.​

    Right, "a few papers in the 1990s"
    What an unbelievable piece of Ignorance or outright Deception in an attempt to Discredit perhaps the world's foremost Genetics/Speciation/Evolution expert as an Alzheimers patient.


    Usually you just do irrelevant Link Dumps.
    I see why now.
    Because when you try and engage in debate instead of of throwing vague horse shoes in a string, you get Slaughtered.
     
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    From a credible source? I find Holocaust Denial about as logical as denying American Slavery. The Nazi campaign to exterminate Europe's Jews was real and it is horribly offensive to suggest that it didn't happen.

    Perhaps you'd like to start another thread to debate this subject or continue the discussion here.

    I haven't yet continued reading the book. I'm reading a different book right now and then I will read the Nisbett book along with the 4 other books I am going to read in preparation for new debates.
     
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    They were your posts I copied. They may have been deleted when the mods closed down the thread.

    Are you now denying your a STORMFRONT member?
     
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    When did I ever deny I was a STORMFRONT member? I'm proud to be a member of a forum where its
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