Am I more of a liberal or a conservative

You said "death is an easy way out for criminals" thus indicating that you don't want to give them an easy way out; you don't want to let them just flee, you want them to suffer a bit first. And that you think life imprisonment would be good for that. But for that I say that what you really want is torture, and life imprisonment is a very expensive and inneffective way of torturing.

 

The second point is irrelevant, but was addressed by my response as well.

It does not matter whether or not it is an easy way out. Making the criminal's life harder is not it's purpose.

 

That depends on how you define a person.

I don't view a fetus in the early months as a "person."

 

Some of the reasons for your positions don't seem very rational. I would say that makes you more conservative.

 

Some of your posts lack arguments and are conclusory. I can't find one that isn't actually. Can you? Just one example, don't dodge.

 

One of my relatives is like that. He's 70 and retired, but he had a union job for most of his life, and he complains about Democrats and unions, not realizing the hypocrisy.

 

Confused. No,just kidding. Yeah,nobody is able to match up every box. I'd say more in the lines of a Christian Democrat like you may have seen in Germany or Italy(socially conservative,fiscally liberal). I'm socially mixes(against abortion generally,but believe it to be a state issue. On marriage I am not really in favor of same sex marriage,but it does not occupy my interest. Staunchly against gun control,affirmative action.I am for free trade,liberal immigration policies,and for entitlement reform.

 

That's what a lot of fascists believe....

 

You're probably right about the party ideology matches. The funny thing is I believe what I believe for secular reasons; big supporter of seperation of church and state.

 

Left Wing Authorative. Not a socialist or a communist, but as johnmayo said, a democrat from the 1960's. I would only add a southern democrat.

 

So it magically turns into a person at birth. Ok.

I'm an atheist. I don't believe in magic.

 

I'm the same way. Just because the fetus depends on the mother to continue living doesn't make it any less alive. That's like saying children aren't alive because they depend on their parents to live.

 

I think the argument used is that it hasn't developed things like a conscious and a nervous system.

Also, where does one draw the line? Where does life begin? Is an egg a life? is a sperm a life? Are the only a life when they are combined? Is it right to abort a child that came though rape? That child is unwanted, but it hasn't done anything wrong.

Me, I don't really think in moral terms on this matter, but the practical aspects.

 

You draw the line at a place you are 100% sure of. A place where there is no ambiguity. An egg has no brain or nervous system, and so cannot be a person. It cannot think or feel pain. All people on both sides can agree on this.

It is really not as difficult a concept as it sounds.

 

neither has a fetus.

 

A fetus is thought to be able to feel pain at 20 weeks because that's when the neurotransmitter that is responsible for pain connects with the brain.

 

I'd argue that with their undeserved wealth, what they add is being the consumer that can afford to buy the rich guy's products. Henry Ford saw that 100 years ago, he wanted his workers to make enough to be able to afford to buy his cars.

 

So prior to that it's okay to make an abortion then?

 

And I also love the people that work for the govt. and have tea party bumper stickers and complain that the govt. jobs should be slashed and all those lazy bums who do nothing at work, that they carry every day, be laid off! So are they so sure that they are so obviously better and that they will be kept?

I also have a cousin that works as a teacher in the public schools and is in the union, but only because he's forced to be. He votes **********, he claims he could make more money without the union, because he's so much better than his peers that he could negotiate higher pay for himself if he was allowed to. He sends his kid to private school, not the one that he and I went to and he teaches at now, that most consider a good school because he doesn't want his son indoctrinated by the socialists. So I ask him why not go to a private school and negotiate a lucrative deal for your superior asss? Then he says that private schools don't pay enough? Wait? You're so much better than others, won't they jump at the chance to overpay to secure your services needless to say, he remains at the PUBLIC school and in the UNION!

 

No; I am against abortion not only for the pain reasons, but because it is still life that should be respected. Sperm is not life. An egg is not life. A zygote is not life. It is not life until the primitive streak is formed.

 

Why do you draw the line there?

 

I used to be pro-choice, then I studied biology and bioethics and changed my mind.

 

Life is life. That is, until you start attaching qualifiers (innocent/guilty or friend/enemy) to it. Either celebrate all life or quit pretending that you do.

 

I agree with you to an extent. I believe the death penalty is wrong, but I believe homicide in self-defense is perfectly acceptable. Do you disagree?

 

You don't shock 'n awe an entire metropolitan area and claim you weren't intentionally out to kill innocent people. We knew thousands of Iraqis were going to die.