Critics of Iran were left embarrassed after leaking a scientifically flawed diagram that a nuclear science student could produce, as proof of Tehrans ambition to build a nuclear bomb. Still they insist their suspicion is well-grounded. The chart published Tuesday by AP was leaked by an unnamed official from a country critical of the Iranian nuclear program. Allegedly authored by Majid Shahriari, an Iranian nuclear researcher, who was assassinated in 2010, the diagram was said by the source to represent results of a computer modeling of a 50-kiloton nuclear device. The report however came under fire shortly afterwards, with critics pointing out that the diagram was both flawed and did not require any secret knowledge to produce it. This diagram does nothing more than indicate either slipshod analysis or an amateurish hoax, nuclear scientists Yousaf Butt and Ferenc Dalnoki-Veress, write on the website of the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists. The chart shows two curves, one that plots the energy versus time, and another that plots the power output versus time. If the legend is correct, it represents a blast of nearly 2 million kilotons. The most powerful thermonuclear bomb ever built the Soviet AN602 nicknamed Tsar Bomba had a yield of about 100,000 kilotons, and that was reduced to 50,000 kilotons for the 1961 test. Even if the apparent million-fold error, which is unlikely to have been made by research scientists working at a national level, is not taken into account, the diagram is not a cause for alarm, the critical comment said. Similar graphs are freely available in nuclear science textbooks on the internet and have been common knowledge since the 1950s. The diagram does not imply that computer simulations were actually run, even if they were, this is the type of project a student could present in a nuclear-science course, Butt and Dalnoki-Veress write at the site. The scientists also point out that some countries, which are not party to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty have conducted much more serious computational research on nuclear weaponry. They cite Brazils military simulation of thermonuclear device detonation as an example. In response to the criticism AP published a follow-up report on Friday. David Albright from the Institute for Science and International Security explained that the numbers would match up, if the legend read joules per 10 nanoseconds instead of kilotons per second. The news agency further cites a senior diplomat as saying that Shahriari intentionally simplified the diagram to make it comprehensible to Iranian government officials to whom they were presenting it. The diplomat also said the International Atomic Energy Agency, the UN nuclear watchdog monitoring Iranian nuclear research, has a spreadsheet presumably also drawn by Shahriari, containing data needed to build a 50-kiloton nuclear device. The document however remains classified. He also confirmed that similar graphs can be found in public sources, but said the IAEA found that irrelevant because of the totality of its information about Iran's alleged interest in plotting the force of a nuclear explosion, which included the drawing seen by the AP. Critics of Iran say it wants to create a nuclear weapon under the guise of its civilian industry. They want to force Tehran to stop enrichment of uranium, claiming that its hoarding the fissile material for an eventual spurt for the bomb. The diagram leaked to AP was intended by the unnamed critics to bolster their arguments that Iran's nuclear program must be halted before it produces a weapon. One of the most local critics, Israel, threatened to attack Iranian nuclear facilities before it can protect them from such an attack, saying it is the only way to prevent Iran from going nuclear. Iran denies the allegation, saying it pursues peaceful nuclear development. It says it needs uranium as fuel for research reactors and eventually for nuclear power plants. Iran currently has one Russian-built power plant in Bushehr, but Russia both supplies the fuel rods for it and processes the spent fuel. The IAEA, which relies on its own research as well as member state intelligence in its monitoring of Iranian nuclear program, so far produced no solid proof that Tehran intends to weaponize its research. http://rt.com/news/iran-nuclear-diagram-gaffe-029/ Reminds me of the fantasy of the underground civilisations. And Collin Powell's laughable props. [video=youtube;FGhGHxw0mSo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGhGHxw0mSo[/video]
In the mind of the NEO-CON suspicion is equivalent to proof. Under the Noahide Laws adopted by Congress, all it takes is one "witness" to prove anything against a goy individual or a whole nation. It is sort of like the mind of unrepentant Judah, Amalek and Cain combined.
They must take everyone for fools. Are they right to or not? Some memorable props used by speakers at the UN On Iraq war path, Powell shows vial of 'anthrax' In a speech he would regret, U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell on Feb. 5, 2003, unleashed an 80-minute avalanche of allegations that built the case for war against Iraq. Before a hushed Security Council chamber, Powell played intercepted conversations, showed reconnaissance photos of Iraqi sites, and brought out a replica vial of "anthrax." He accused Iraq of hiding chemical and biological weapons and reviving their nuclear bomb project. He said it posed a grave threat to the world. After the invasion of Iraq, it emerged that reports of Saddam Hussein's WMD program were false. http://news.yahoo.com/memorable-props-used-speakers-un-190156190.html
Indeed. Why speak of deceitful international and Zionist Jewry, presenting yet more lies to trick us into war, when I could be talking about gay rights in Tehran...
Well, you should. I'll bet there are many happy people who are right handed in Tehran. There are no left handed ones, though. They killed all the left handed people because every Muslim knows that left handed people are evil and must be quickly killed before they can corrupt good, moral, right handed Muslims.
Anyway, they may have stumbled upon the secrets of the U-Bomb, creating a way to make Uranium 238 explodey, like in the Tsar Bomb or a number of current US nuclear devices. If this is the case, then such numbers would not be unrealistic. We may unfortunately be forced to launch a pre-emptive strike with a larger device. Although this would exterminate Israel as well, the resulting world peace created by erasing the middle east and most of central Asia would be worth it.
Public Info obtained from internet in 30 seconds. atomic bomb yield calculator: http://www.fourmilab.ch/bombcalc/ atomic bomb yield comparisons: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon_yield atomic bomb effects overlap on google maps: http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/gmap/hydesim.html really crude graph from ap story: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/slideshow/ALeqM5g4ZJSSdXjcjLESMObocNCYrDS8pg?docId=78e275403e52494d935f728728dccbf9&index=0 somebody got caught with their pants down. Obviously the writer was kinda ignorant of these things.
There is a very popular public debate series in toronto ever six months called the Munk Debate and it brings in noteable experts from around the world to debate global issues. A couple of day ago it was held and the topic: "Be it resolved the world cannot tolerate an Iran with nuclear weapons capability." I watched it on cable. It was incredibly interesting and provocative. Here is a mini audio version between two of the debaters. Fareed Zacharia (con) and Charles Krauthammer (pro) http://www.cbc.ca/thecurrent/episode/2012/11/27/can-we-live-with-a-nuclear-armed-iran/ here's the home page with debate results. http://www.munkdebates.com/home.aspx
Or they could just buy a nuclear device from North Korea and still be in compliance with inspection protocols. Much cheaper and far less conflictive than reinventing the research wheel claimed by 'Murka and its poodle states. And mmmuuuuch faster. If Iran really wanted nuclear ordnance, what would your strategy be given the haste that the US, EU and IAEA claim Iran has? Sorry, can't hear you, you are going to have to speak up.
All that tells me is that viewers of this particular show were swayed by the speakers. Polls and opinions really don't mean a lot. It is actions by Governments that may or may not be swayed by public opinion that count. In my country, many people were in favor of staying out of WW2 and for continuing the Vietnam conflict to a conclusion. Public opinion matters little except in elections of people that make policy. Public opinion may change today, but the metal was cast during the last election.
Holy smoke, Jonsa!! I would love to listen to the debate, but do I have to sit through the full 24 hours of audio file to get to it? Do you have a short-cut, or is it a cunning ploy to keep me otherwise occupied
no its only 24 minutes. and the first 45 seconds or so is the intro to the radio program. Its not the full debate, its interviews with zacharia and krauthammer. IMHO Zacharia is by far the most intellectual correspondant on american cable news - he has a weekly show on cnn. Krauthammer is a very smart dude, who writes a column in the WSJ and is a regular on fox - very very conservative and from my vantage pont a neo-con in foreign affairs. You can sign up at munk (small fee involved) and get the full debate. there were a couple, few thousand in attendance. Its a big deal in these here parts.
But you did pursue the Vietnam war to a conclusion. And it concluded with America being thrown out on its arse, despite bombing the crap out of it-and Cambodia, and Laos. You failed. Dismally.
